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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Rate episode 7x08 Cold War
Geronimo! 34 27.42%
NIce Warrior! 66 53.23%
lukewarm 21 16.94%
Will spring never come? 3 2.42%
Dive Dive Dive! 0 0%
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Old April 13 2013, 08:38 PM   #16
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I liked that the threat was taken seriously. It was worse in the RTD era but Moffat is often equally as guilty of just making the whole situation a joke to try and appear subversive (Let's Kill Hitler being the worst offender!). It was nice to see our heroes scared of a tough enemy for a change.
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Old April 13 2013, 09:07 PM   #17
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A fun Dr Who, though not as deep as last week's, but then they can't all be, can they? That said, it was, how shall we say, built entirely from references to other DW stories and various movies. On the plus side, it *just* avoided triggering me to tears at an early point (and probably just by editing - I suspect if the time slot was a few seconds longer it would have - and would have pissed me off as that'd have been three weeks running), and Warner and Cunningham were fantastic.

I can actually nitpick the sets and militaria to quite a degree this week, though - I've been aboard a cold war era former Soviet sub, and they're nothing like that bloody spacious (I know, a production necessity), nor do they have smooth floors, refer to the control room as the bridge, nor have FN Browning Hi-Powers as the crew's sidearms. Though it's nice to see the AKs (or more likely Norinco copies) actually used in the correct period, rather than the year five billion for a change...
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Old April 13 2013, 09:26 PM   #18
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If we're talking about niggles, I 'mm also not sure that the missile could still launch while on the surface if they'd been prepped for launch at depth, the 'five thousand years' line would mean that Skaldak was frozen one to three thousand years before Varga (your Ice Warriors dating may vary), and that Martian shiip was a darn sight more capable than the ones Slaar had a century-ish later (byut then, most Troughton era alien fleets were unrealistically rubbish, still dependent on 1950s navigation tech).
All niggles... a good solid 7 or 8/10 monster at large story. The sort of thing that comes top of the polls in a weak season, second from last in a great one, mid-range in most.
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Old April 13 2013, 09:29 PM   #19
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It was ok. Unobjectionable. The atmosphere was there and the sets were completely convincing (the question of "isn't this a bit big for a sub" didn't occur to me, but I am thick). A shame the story itself was a bit perfunctory. Good performances too.
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Old April 13 2013, 10:14 PM   #20
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Best episode of the 2013 episodes so far. I never even considered that the Ice Warrior could leave its armour that was a good twist. Looking forward to the next episode!
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Old April 13 2013, 10:25 PM   #21
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Unlike the more recent way of re-introducing old monsters, IE introduce a lot of them in a bloated two-parter filled with weird design choices, companions weeping and scripts that just baffle logic such as Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel, The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky, and The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood, this returns to the Dalek way of doing it; faithfully reintroduce one of them, a frightening, ruthless representation of its entire race, and have them trapped in a closed, confined area.

Would've been a 9 if not for the complete tonal misjudge at the end where we get happy, triumphant music and characters acting like it was the end of The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances just because he spared their lives, even though he, uh, murdered half the crew and they only barely survived through nuclear annihilation. But no, he decided not to be a Harriet Jones, so let's get Murray Gold doing his "Hooray!" music and have the characters grin and laugh like buffoons.

Other than that, this was a tense, tight, Troughton-era base-under-siege homage that felt claustrophobic, had great character moments for Clara's second time out (compare this to how Gatiss wrote for Amy's second time out!) as well as for the supporting characters ( David Warner). Not the most original Who story ever, not a classic, but compared to other New Who trying to do similar things, it was very well-executed and damn enjoyable.
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Old April 13 2013, 10:33 PM   #22
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Entertaining enough but it didn't really amount to a hill of beans and I didn't spot any clues to the "mystery of Clara"(TM).

The wide-screen monitors in the control room looked a bit advanced for an 80s Soviet sub. I'm wondering if the set was redressed from some other production - there was that BBC sub-based miniseries from a few years ago. I think I saw an old DEC VT100 terminal lying about as well.
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Old April 13 2013, 10:43 PM   #23
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A good Gatiss story? Amazing!

A nice update to a great race of aliens, and I was so happy that they weren't evil in this. I do hope it'll lead to future Ice Warrior stories. Perhaps we could see an Ice Lord next time.

All in all a bit of a filler episode, but still quite enjoyable. Though I agree with Nagisa. It did seem odd to be celebrating when there are at least a half dozen dead crewmen down below.
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Old April 13 2013, 10:54 PM   #24
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The dead crewmen sort of remind me of the Terry Pratchett Discworld book Guards! Guards!
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Old April 13 2013, 11:17 PM   #25
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Meh, pretty underwhelming, all in all. It had some good moments, especially the introduction of the Ice Warrior but everything else (e.g. the conflict between the political commissar/first officer (I'm not sure what he was actually supposed to be) and the captain, the crazy professor) just felt a bit contrived and by-the-numbers without really paying off. The dialogue felt off, too, not like people would talk in that situation.

I did have to chuckle at all those Soviet soldiers running around with what would have been Makarov pistols drawn. Those things were notoriously imprecise - even if they were fastened they wouldn't always hit the same spot. It's only fitting that no one actually fired any of them.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:17 PM   #26
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A good Gatiss story? Amazing!
Victory of the Daleks is the only outright shit one he's done, I reckon. Nightshade was a terrific VNA too and one of the scariest.

This was far and away his best script though, I agree.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:18 PM   #27
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Good stuff, they kept the Ice Warrior to the shadows and saved the reveal till suitably late on. I was getting a bit of a cgi Gorn feel from him, but he looked pretty good.

David Warner as always is highly watchable and Clara looked fabulous in that outfit.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:21 PM   #28
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Clara looked fabulous in that outfit.
I was ready to give the episode a 10/10 score when she was soaking wet.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:21 PM   #29
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I skimmed the thread a little but it doesn't seem like any of you have locked onto the consequences of the TARDIS Waiting half a world a way from the Doctor and Clara which the "next Week on Doctor Who" seemed to explain in clear detail unless it's just an amusing coincidence that they strike the 1980s again twice in a row.

They have to take the slow path.

Sure the Russians could use a military transport, and they could probably get these two back to the TARDIS inside 40 hours once some one explains to the polit bureau why the plane has to be commandeered... But where's the fun in that?

How many of the next few episodes, the rest of the season are going to be rooted fast to 1983 as they wander between a series of weekly 1983 problems?

I try to stay spoiler free, and you've probably known about this for months if I'm not imagining it.

The episode was much better than last week, although Clara's chat with Skaldak seemed terribly manufactured to make Clara seem useful... Who was the British popstar that wore a Russian naval uniform? Adam Ant?

Hasn't seen them out of their armour? What the hell did he think was with the little Ice Warrior Lords? Was that different armour or skin and scales? Had there been some sort of Forced Evolutionary (Eugenics, not natural sellection.)push to create defined thinkers and defined fighters, because we've never seen a big "Ice" Warrior do much but follow orders up to this point.

The Seeds of Death "happened" in the early 21st century. It could take Sardak 20 years to get his shit together and then he comes back to Earth... Or he spends 20 years speaking up for humanity delaying the invasion or creating a merciful way of eradicating humanity quickly. It's not like he has total credibility, historic war hero yesterday sure, but if George Washington walked into the White House today and insisted the Obama nuke England because he's still pissed, they'd drag him out as a crazy person even if they did believe him.

The Doctor must have seen the connection between that invasion and the introduction of this character into Martian politics.

Did Clara really save the day by singing hungry like the wolf, because Sardak was listening and it reminded him of his long dead daughter? And frankly who ever the Martians who were rescued him had a policy with which they used to deal with Earthicans and they probably thought Sardak was a raving a loon and sedated him if he was demanding instant global devastation.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:24 PM   #30
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Aaaand so much for all our speculation last week that the TARDIS didn't like Clara and wasn't translating for her.
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