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Old April 9 2013, 01:27 AM   #151
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That said, while he is the best choice for Trek in principal, being a non-fan, as a filmmaker and producer I find a lot of his work leave much to be desired.
WOW! Than I certainly look forward to your several successful TV series and feature films. They must be AMAZING!
I don't need to be a director or producer (successful or otherwise) in order to have an opinion. Indeed, 90% of the posters on this very forum have no experience in professional filmmaking. Does that make their opinion less valid?
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Old April 10 2013, 07:07 AM   #152
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Yeah, but "Norks" is funny.

ETA: And TOS did pull out all the norks in its original run in the 60's. TOS created the side-boob shot!
Yep, and it happened because of three words: William Ware Theiss.
And under the watchful eyes of the great Gene Roddenberry himself (may he rest-in-peace).
He really had an eye for the ladies, and it paid off!
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Old April 12 2013, 03:16 AM   #153
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Gawd, that scene with a bloated, red-faced Riker toasting their dead (not really) comrade Lt. Data was cinematically pathetic (as we still had Data Gump). And Picard looked so frail and small onscreen.


And...Jonathan Frakes' age, health and appearance at the time Nemesis was filmed and Stewart's physical stature have to do with the greater film as a whole...how, again?

Actors age. By the time the tenth movie (and the fourth one with the TNG cast) saw cameras roll, it had been fifteen years since the pilot for Next Gen and they - well, you probably guessed where I'm going with this -got older. Yes, Frakes gained some weight and got puffier. That's going to happen to quite a few of us. He was no longer as trim and fit as he had been during his thirties and the premiere season of the series, and Patrick Stewart aged fifteen years as well. He was already in his late forties when the show began and was approaching senior citizen status during Nemesis.

To echo what somebody earlier in the thread said, we might as well go ahead and fire Simon Pegg, Chris Pine and Karl Urban now, because they're all just going to get older, wrinklier and slower if the new films are successful enough to keep going for a few more movies or even longer.

There are a hundred very valid things to nitpick and even slam about Nemesis, but Will Riker's face and Patrick Stewart not sporting a strong Zapp Brannigan physique (when he's never been a large, burly actor or character and Picard is the age of 74 by that year in the timeline) shouldn't be two of them.
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Old April 12 2013, 05:02 AM   #154
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It is a well-known fact of astronomy that stars grow larger and redder as they age.
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Old April 12 2013, 05:13 AM   #155
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Lots of competent and entertaining actors and artists bloat up and change appearance as they age. Orson Welles. Brando. Have you seen Billy Joel lately?

As long as Frakes successfully conveyed William T. Riker in his last film it shouldn't matter that he was older, red-faced and puffier. The problems with Nemesis stem from the script and directing, not how fat or frail a character appears.
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Old April 12 2013, 06:03 AM   #156
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Why did it matter that they were older?
It doesn't and I didn't say it did.

Riker being red-faced and bloated speaks more to things other than age. Such as, perhaps, a fondness for distilled or fermented spirits, but definitely a lazy attitude regarding his big screen appearance.
Heck, Dorn was the same age as Frakes, but he had at least kept himself trim and slim and looking good (check out the Dodge Dart commercial he's in.) Stewart was also trimmer than Frakes. It seems that Frakes didn't care because it was his last acting role and he wanted to be a director more, so he didn't put any effort into his appearance (and this despite the type of food that they were serving for the cast that was low-fat since Insurrection, IIRC.) That makes Frakes appear to by very lazy in contrast to Ricardo Montelban when he played Khan (who had kept himself in shape and was able to lift Walter Koneing) or even Samuel Jackson in Avengers, who looks like a man that's been in the military for years and who maintained a great build as per regulations. All told, I liked the movie (and still do) but I can agree with what you've said here, Danger Ace.
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Old April 12 2013, 07:48 AM   #157
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Frakes looked fine to me. Then again, I tend to have more realistic expectations when it comes to very mortal human beings playing immortal characters.
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... and was able to lift Walter Koenig)...
Umm, I'm fairly sure a wire was used, unless you really think that Ricardo Montalban was strong enough to lift a fully grown man in a spacesuit with one arm.
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Old April 12 2013, 01:25 PM   #159
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... and was able to lift Walter Koenig)...
Umm, I'm fairly sure a wire was used, unless you really think that Ricardo Montalban was strong enough to lift a fully grown man in a spacesuit with one arm.
Well, with muscles like his...
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Well, with muscles like his...
Montalban's physique was positively robauesque.
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It was a wire. If you look closely you'll notice that Montalban has to sort of slightly yank and pull Koenig back down to earth, something he wouldn't have to do if he were strong enough to lift Walter so easily in the first place.
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Old April 12 2013, 04:46 PM   #162
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Why did it matter that they were older?
It doesn't and I didn't say it did.

Riker being red-faced and bloated speaks more to things other than age. Such as, perhaps, a fondness for distilled or fermented spirits, but definitely a lazy attitude regarding his big screen appearance.
Heck, Dorn was the same age as Frakes, but he had at least kept himself trim and slim and looking good (check out the Dodge Dart commercial he's in.) Stewart was also trimmer than Frakes. It seems that Frakes didn't care because it was his last acting role and he wanted to be a director more, so he didn't put any effort into his appearance (and this despite the type of food that they were serving for the cast that was low-fat since Insurrection, IIRC.) That makes Frakes appear to by very lazy in contrast to Ricardo Montelban when he played Khan (who had kept himself in shape and was able to lift Walter Koneing) or even Samuel Jackson in Avengers, who looks like a man that's been in the military for years and who maintained a great build as per regulations. All told, I liked the movie (and still do) but I can agree with what you've said here, Danger Ace.
Frakes looked a little like a "Season Three" Shatner or Shatner in TUC, though not quite like Doohan. Not being afraid to let the characters change and age was part of the charm of Trek.

I'm also sure Frakes had enough personal pride to show up for the role in as good a shape as he could get himself in.
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Old April 12 2013, 10:29 PM   #163
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I'm also sure Frakes had enough personal pride to show up for the role in as good a shape as he could get himself in.
Naw, Frakes showed up with the same "time to pop out another oner" attitude as an Ozarkian honky-tonky queen.
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I'm also sure Frakes had enough personal pride to show up for the role in as good a shape as he could get himself in.
Naw, Frakes showed up with the same "time to pop out another oner" attitude as an Ozarkian honky-tonky queen.
Having some relatives for whom Branson, MO is a bucket list visit, you don't know how funny I found that remark.
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Old April 13 2013, 12:09 AM   #165
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It was a wire.
A behind-the-scenes pic from TrekCore:

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http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/t...bum=358&page=1
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