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Old April 10 2013, 08:44 PM   #46
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I'd rather be 'internally inept' than be tragically hip...
Why? "Tragically hip" would be an affectation (and is The Amazing Race actually "hip" in anyone's book?) "Internally inept" would be pretty pathetic.
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Old April 10 2013, 08:47 PM   #47
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We survived without a Trek series on the air between 1974 and 1987. It's only been eight years since the last series ended.

And if you want more Trek fiction than what's on the movie screen, there are active, ongoing novel and comic series out there.

I know Chris, but I love TV shows a lot, and Star Trek works best on the small screen (great as the recent movie was.)
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Old April 10 2013, 08:48 PM   #48
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With the exception of Enterprise and the original run of TOS, Trek had consistently good ratings.
More people watched TOS on NBC than have ever watched any version of Trek since.
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Old April 10 2013, 09:06 PM   #49
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I'd rather be 'internally inept' than be tragically hip...
Why? "Tragically hip" would be an affectation (and is The Amazing Race actually "hip" in anyone's book?) "Internally inept" would be pretty pathetic.
These shitty reality TV shows are too popular for my tastes, and everybody wants ordinary scripted TV to be pushed to the side; hence why I said what I said.

As for the "Tragically hip" comment; if being hip means liking shitty TV shows like The Amazing Race that are big ratings successes, I'd rather be what Ms. Fern said than the former.
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Old April 11 2013, 12:58 AM   #50
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With the exception of Enterprise and the original run of TOS, Trek had consistently good ratings.
More people watched TOS on NBC than have ever watched any version of Trek since.
No Trek series has aired on NBC since, either.

Really, decent ratings for NBC and awesome ratings for UPN aren't even in the same order of magnitude.
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Old April 11 2013, 03:02 AM   #51
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IIRC, TOS actually gained more viewers after it was cancelled. Once in second-run syndication, millions more were able to see the show because it was scheduled outside of primetime (depending on where you were, it was either on weekend afternoons or late nights on your local station).
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Old April 11 2013, 03:13 AM   #52
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With the exception of Enterprise and the original run of TOS, Trek had consistently good ratings.
More people watched TOS on NBC than have ever watched any version of Trek since.
As I mentioned in another thread, raw numbers aren't enough; you need the context to understand their meaning. In the 1960s, there were typically only, maybe, 3-5 commercial television stations in any given market, so the total viewership was only divided 3-5 ways. These days, it's divided among hundreds of channels, so each show gets a much smaller slice of the pie. So even the highest-rated shows today are watched by far fewer people than a low-rated show in the '60s.

Compared to the other shows on the air at the time, TOS's ratings were mediocre. That's why it struggled for renewal every year, why the budget was cut each season, why the third season was bumped from a desirable time slot in favor of a show that had a better chance of doing well.
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Old April 11 2013, 03:55 AM   #53
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IIRC, TOS actually gained more viewers after it was cancelled. Once in second-run syndication, millions more were able to see the show because it was scheduled outside of primetime (depending on where you were, it was either on weekend afternoons or late nights on your local station).
I see this claim a lot and often wonder if it is true. It certainly is true that the original series was a great success in syndication, but did it really have more viewers in re-runs than first-run? I don't doubt that, over time, more people saw the series after it was cancelled than had watched it on NBC, but was there really an audience at any one time that was bigger than the one delivered by a major network during the three network era?
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Old April 11 2013, 05:15 AM   #54
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I see this claim a lot and often wonder if it is true. It certainly is true that the original series was a great success in syndication, but did it really have more viewers in re-runs than first-run? I don't doubt that, over time, more people saw the series after it was cancelled than had watched it on NBC, but was there really an audience at any one time that was bigger than the one delivered by a major network during the three network era?
I'm not sure it's even possible to make such a comparison, since in its network run it was run in a single weekly time slot, while in syndication it aired on different days and times in different cities. So you'd never have as many people watching any given showing, because that would only give you one city's worth of viewers, maybe a few if their schedules converged. I suppose you could compare the total number of viewers it had per week, but I'm not sure that would be a meaningful comparison given the different circumstances.

Anyway, I think it was more a cumulative thing, seeing the episodes over and over. Because the number of episodes was smaller than a typical syndication package, they got rerun more often, and that helped build more familiarity for the episodes and gave viewers more chances to discover them and get hooked. So the repetition itself was part of what created the loyal following.
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Old April 11 2013, 07:56 PM   #55
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I see this claim a lot and often wonder if it is true. It certainly is true that the original series was a great success in syndication, but did it really have more viewers in re-runs than first-run? I don't doubt that, over time, more people saw the series after it was cancelled than had watched it on NBC, but was there really an audience at any one time that was bigger than the one delivered by a major network during the three network era?
I'm not sure it's even possible to make such a comparison, since in its network run it was run in a single weekly time slot, while in syndication it aired on different days and times in different cities. So you'd never have as many people watching any given showing, because that would only give you one city's worth of viewers, maybe a few if their schedules converged. I suppose you could compare the total number of viewers it had per week, but I'm not sure that would be a meaningful comparison given the different circumstances.

Anyway, I think it was more a cumulative thing, seeing the episodes over and over. Because the number of episodes was smaller than a typical syndication package, they got rerun more often, and that helped build more familiarity for the episodes and gave viewers more chances to discover them and get hooked. So the repetition itself was part of what created the loyal following.

The quality of the show is what created a loyal following and the sequals.

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Old April 11 2013, 09:17 PM   #56
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IIRC, TOS actually gained more viewers after it was cancelled. Once in second-run syndication, millions more were able to see the show because it was scheduled outside of primetime (depending on where you were, it was either on weekend afternoons or late nights on your local station).
I see this claim a lot and often wonder if it is true. It certainly is true that the original series was a great success in syndication, but did it really have more viewers in re-runs than first-run? I don't doubt that, over time, more people saw the series after it was cancelled than had watched it on NBC, but was there really an audience at any one time that was bigger than the one delivered by a major network during the three network era?
TOS wasn't just syndicated in the US but in sixty other countries (where it was translated into other languages for some). It was really after the show's cancellation that it got its biggest following. It's impossible to say if it had a bigger audience at any one time after leaving NBC because it often aired at many different days and times in syndication, but definitely many more people saw there due to its greater presence in both US and international TV markets and its length of time there.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:56 PM   #57
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IIRC, TOS actually gained more viewers after it was cancelled. Once in second-run syndication, millions more were able to see the show because it was scheduled outside of primetime (depending on where you were, it was either on weekend afternoons or late nights on your local station).
I see this claim a lot and often wonder if it is true. It certainly is true that the original series was a great success in syndication, but did it really have more viewers in re-runs than first-run? I don't doubt that, over time, more people saw the series after it was cancelled than had watched it on NBC, but was there really an audience at any one time that was bigger than the one delivered by a major network during the three network era?
TOS wasn't just syndicated in the US but in sixty other countries (where it was translated into other languages for some). It was really after the show's cancellation that it got its biggest following. It's impossible to say if it had a bigger audience at any one time after leaving NBC because it often aired at many different days and times in syndication, but definitely many more people saw there due to its greater presence in both US and international TV markets and its length of time there.
Yea, but if it's quality is bad you can be sure it'll never be heard of again. It's hard to create a universe and the other shows just rode the coattails of GR's creation. Don't think that the spin off producers weren't thinking they were doing something much better than TOS, and were more clever than he was, etc.. 'We know you mean well, Gene, but..' Many have tried and died.
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Old April 14 2013, 12:33 AM   #58
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I see this claim a lot and often wonder if it is true. It certainly is true that the original series was a great success in syndication, but did it really have more viewers in re-runs than first-run? I don't doubt that, over time, more people saw the series after it was cancelled than had watched it on NBC, but was there really an audience at any one time that was bigger than the one delivered by a major network during the three network era?
TOS wasn't just syndicated in the US but in sixty other countries (where it was translated into other languages for some). It was really after the show's cancellation that it got its biggest following. It's impossible to say if it had a bigger audience at any one time after leaving NBC because it often aired at many different days and times in syndication, but definitely many more people saw there due to its greater presence in both US and international TV markets and its length of time there.
Yea, but if it's quality is bad you can be sure it'll never be heard of again. It's hard to create a universe and the other shows just rode the coattails of GR's creation. Don't think that the spin off producers weren't thinking they were doing something much better than TOS, and were more clever than he was, etc.. 'We know you mean well, Gene, but..' Many have tried and died.
That really doesn't have anything to do with the particular topic of TOS in syndication and is more your own opinion than anything else, but what subsequent Trek shows definitely did was expand the Star Trek Universe. DS9 and VOY were both spinoffs of TNG, with ENT as a prequel to everything.
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Old April 14 2013, 01:15 AM   #59
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Then CBS should do a Star Trek series. When was it the last time they had a sci-fi series on there network? Me, I don't know. I think it was Lost in Space. But we have google search to see with one was the last.
Of all the US broadcast networks, CBS is the one that's had the lowest percentage of SF/fantasy shows in its history. But currently it does feature one significant SF show, Person of Interest. Other genre shows on the network since 2000 include Wolf Lake, Jericho, Threshold, Ghost Whisperer, Moonlight, Eleventh Hour, Medium, and the short-lived Century City, while other notable CBS genre shows in decades past include the original Twilight Zone and its first revival, My Favorite Martian, The Wild Wild West, The Amazing Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, The Incredible Hulk, Logan's Run, Beauty and the Beast, Airwolf, The Flash, American Gothic, and Now and Again.

But if you mean to ask when CBS last had a show set in outer space, then as far as I can tell, Lost in Space was the last one of those, although 1985's Otherworld took place on an alien world which may have been either a distant planet or a parallel-universe version of Earth, and Logan's Run and Jericho were both in post-apocalyptic futures.
You forgot those live action sci-fi shows that used to be on Saturday mornings in the 1970's on CBS like Jason of Star Command which used to have James Doohan on it and Space Academy with Jonathan Harris (Dr. Smith from Lost in Space).
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^Well, the implicit focus of the discussion was on live-action prime-time shows, since it was part of a discussion of the potential for a new Star Trek series. That's why I didn't mention Space Academy and Jason, two shows I was a big fan of from the start and now own on DVD.
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