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Old April 2 2013, 10:45 PM   #1441
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Thoros of Myr? Why wait until now? Why not introduce him at the Hands games?
Because casting an actor for a minor role in one episode and then not having him appear again until two years later isn't really a practical way of doing things. It's the same reason the featured extra who played Beric in season one wasn't brought back for season three.
Could have had a stuntman in a robe with a fire sword though, and probably would have been a stuntman anyway for the Tourney.
They could have, sure, but that would have cost money (particularly a fire sword effect) and served no real purpose. Showing Beric briefly made sense because Ned's response to the Hound's actions was important to the plot, but Thoros would just have been an easter egg for the fans, and there are cheaper ways to do those. I suppose they could have found and costumed a decent-looking featured extra for the scene where Ned gives the commission, though.
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Old April 9 2013, 09:50 PM   #1442
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Here's an HBO featurette on the new characters introduced this season:

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Old April 9 2013, 11:03 PM   #1443
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FWIW I'm still predicting that the season finale cliffhanger will be the appearance of Lady Stoneheart...
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Old April 10 2013, 12:02 AM   #1444
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Makes sense. Her resurrection happens a few days after the RW, so, chronologically, there's no reason to not have it in episode 10.
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Old April 10 2013, 10:49 AM   #1445
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FWIW I'm still predicting that the season finale cliffhanger will be the appearance of Lady Stoneheart...
Given the big difference between Thoros in the show and the Thoros of the books (which his personality is heavily changed by his resurrections) I wonder if Lady Stoneheart will have more of a 'personality' in the tv series as well.
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Old April 10 2013, 04:02 PM   #1446
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Makes sense. Her resurrection happens a few days after the RW, so, chronologically, there's no reason to not have it in episode 10.
Yep, I'm thinking that way because the RW is, AIUI, episode 9...
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Old April 10 2013, 04:04 PM   #1447
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FWIW I'm still predicting that the season finale cliffhanger will be the appearance of Lady Stoneheart...
Given the big difference between Thoros in the show and the Thoros of the books (which his personality is heavily changed by his resurrections) I wonder if Lady Stoneheart will have more of a 'personality' in the tv series as well.
I suspect she will, simply because they'll want the actress to continue giving a performance the audience will relate to - but even if she does appear at the end of this season, I doubt we'll know how much personality she has until season 4.
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Old April 10 2013, 04:14 PM   #1448
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Pretty much everything that happened offpage (the Brotherhood Without Banners resistance, Lady Stoneheart's corruption of it, Theon's torture at Ramsay's hand, etc.) will be shown as it happens rather than explained to us after the fact. And that's the perfect way to deal with the padding in the 4th and 5th books. Maybe we'll even get to see Stannis sweet talk those barbarian tribes.
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Old April 10 2013, 04:27 PM   #1449
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Based on the personality the writers have given Catelyn thus far, and their general reluctance to embrace Martin's more grotesque characters, I shudder to think what they might make Lady Stoneheart into. Maybe a raspy soliloquy about how all her troubles are because she wasn't nice to poor ickle Jon Snow? Or a version where the vengeance is Thoros' idea and all she wants to do is mother everybody in sight.
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Based on the personality the writers have given Catelyn thus far, and their general reluctance to embrace Martin's more grotesque characters, I shudder to think what they might make Lady Stoneheart into. Maybe a raspy soliloquy about how all her troubles are because she wasn't nice to poor ickle Jon Snow? Or a version where the vengeance is Thoros' idea and all she wants to do is mother everybody in sight.
I'm hoping that they're actually going this way to more fully pull the rug out by going with the corruption of the mothering instinct that causes, for example, female terrorists to be more deadly than the males.

(Seriously, this is a real thing - security forces around the world are advised to shoot women terrorists before male ones in hostage situations, because the women are more likely to start killing hostages)
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FWIW I'm still predicting that the season finale cliffhanger will be the appearance of Lady Stoneheart...
Given the big difference between Thoros in the show and the Thoros of the books (which his personality is heavily changed by his resurrections) I wonder if Lady Stoneheart will have more of a 'personality' in the tv series as well.
His personality is changed by finding out his god is very real and very powerful after decades of going through the motions. Beric is the one who is resurrected repeatedly.
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Old April 11 2013, 12:15 PM   #1452
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FWIW I'm still predicting that the season finale cliffhanger will be the appearance of Lady Stoneheart...
Given the big difference between Thoros in the show and the Thoros of the books (which his personality is heavily changed by his resurrections) I wonder if Lady Stoneheart will have more of a 'personality' in the tv series as well.
His personality is changed by finding out his god is very real and very powerful after decades of going through the motions. Beric is the one who is resurrected repeatedly.
Ah you're right. He became the 'front man' for him and did most of the speaking. Been awhile since I read those parts in the book.
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Old April 11 2013, 03:35 PM   #1453
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Did anyone else think that the way that the 'serving man' promised to rescue Theon had echoes of the Theon/Reek relationship at Winterfell (which was omitted from last season). Anyone want to hazard a guess at who Theon's 'helper' is going to turn out to be?
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Old April 11 2013, 11:16 PM   #1454
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Yeah, it's obviously Ramsay, even setting aside the fact that the "serving man" is being played by the guy who was not-officially-but-everyone-knows-anyway cast as Ramsay. This must be why they announced his character only as "Boy."
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Old April 12 2013, 05:50 AM   #1455
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They're taking the Theon/Ramsay story from Book 2 (which they didn't have time to adapt) and doing a variation of it in this season to given him and Ramsay something to do. Just as in book 2, Ramsay is pretending to be someone else to get close to Theon.
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