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Old April 8 2013, 10:55 PM   #2266
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He appears to be very talented at making money, and little else.
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Old April 9 2013, 12:18 AM   #2267
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He's very talented at getting stuff greenlit in Hollywood. That's no small feat.
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Old April 9 2013, 12:48 AM   #2268
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He appears to be very talented at making money, and little else.
Since that money comes from entertaining people, then I'd say he's pretty talented at providing entertainment. Which strangely enough is his job.
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Old April 9 2013, 02:06 AM   #2269
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He's a hack. 'Inhuman' is 'Questor'. He'd like to be Roddenberry. Who wouldn't and doesn't think they are already. BTW, Nolan is another thieving hack who thinks he's more than a good director too. OTOH, Scorcese is a great writer. No kidding.
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Old April 9 2013, 02:18 AM   #2270
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While he has had a few misses for me, mainly Alcatraz and Person of Interest, I've enjoyed enough stuff Abrams has been involved with, that I'll at least try anything with his name on it. I know he isn't that involved with most of the stuff he's producing, but he seems to choose to put his name and behind stuff that I enjoy. So as long as this trend continues I'll gladly continue to pay to see his movies and watch his TV shows.
Lost, Fringe, and Alias are some of my favorite TV shows.
I've really enjoyed Revolution.
His Star Trek movie is one of my favorite movies, and I really enjoyed his MI movies, Cloverfield, and Super 8.
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Old April 9 2013, 02:24 AM   #2271
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He's a hack. 'Inhuman' is 'Questor'. He'd like to be Roddenberry. Who wouldn't and doesn't think they are already. BTW, Nolan is another thieving hack who thinks he's more than a good director too. OTOH, Scorcese is a great writer. No kidding.
Sounds more like Yoyo and Holmes than Questor. Unless there's a show called Questor that's about an android cop.
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Old April 9 2013, 02:32 AM   #2272
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Did he write Cloverfield and /or Super 8?
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Old April 9 2013, 02:35 AM   #2273
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Did he write Cloverfield and /or Super 8?
No and yes.
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Old April 9 2013, 04:09 AM   #2274
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'Inhuman' is 'Questor'.
Sounds more like Yoyo and Holmes than Questor. Unless there's a show called Questor that's about an android cop.
The show you're thinking of was called Holmes and Yoyo, and it was just one of multiple "human cop with android partner" series in TV history. There was also the more serious Future Cop a year later, and in 1992 there was the Yancy Butler series Mann & Machine (co-created by Law and Order's Dick Wolf), which I'd think would be far better remembered.
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Old April 9 2013, 04:21 AM   #2275
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'Inhuman' is 'Questor'.
Sounds more like Yoyo and Holmes than Questor. Unless there's a show called Questor that's about an android cop.
The show you're thinking of was called Holmes and Yoyo, and it was just one of multiple "human cop with android partner" series in TV history. There was also the more serious Future Cop a year later, and in 1992 there was the Yancy Butler series Mann & Machine (co-created by Law and Order's Dick Wolf), which I'd think would be far better remembered.
It was the first on that popped in my head, even if I reversed the title. What can I say, I'm a John Schuck fan.
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Old April 9 2013, 05:38 AM   #2276
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The show you're thinking of was called Holmes and Yoyo, and it was just one of multiple "human cop with android partner" series in TV history. There was also the more serious Future Cop a year later, and in 1992 there was the Yancy Butler series Mann & Machine (co-created by Law and Order's Dick Wolf), which I'd think would be far better remembered.
I mentioned Mann and Machine many pages earlier in the thread when one of these cop and robot shows was first announced.
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Old April 9 2013, 06:41 AM   #2277
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add me to the camp that thinks Abrams is overrated. He seems to love twists for the sake of them and doesn't care about developing a story I.e. Alias, lost. In fact lost was one of the worst things to happen to tv. It unfortunately ushered in an era of an overreliance on flashbacks, non linear storytelling, overly large casts, convoluted mythologies, breakneck pacing, a need for podcasts and q&a to clarify poor editing and sloppy writing, dragging out answers that never come or are unsatisfying, character deaths meant to shock but come off as predictable and lame. Now all sff wants to do is emulate this flawed format as evidenced by the endless failures we see every season from v, invasion, the event, game of thrones, persons unknown, caprica, flash forward etc. And it isn't just him but the writers he staffs. Orci, kurtzman, pinkner, Wyman, lindelof, cuse,,,they may be fanboys but they aren't very good writers. Fringe was a poorly cloned x files with bland characters and not very entertaining plotlines. Star trek was a two hour mess-plotholes galore, a one dimensional villain that they covered up with add pacing and lots of FX. Alcatraz, undercovers, person of interest, fringe, alias all crap.

Abrams is what happens when an overgrown fanboy is allowed to take control. But then again maybe he's perfect for the poor tastes of American audiences who eat that kind of crap happily.
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Old April 9 2013, 06:48 AM   #2278
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Game of Thrones is a failure?? Someone should tell HBO.
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Old April 9 2013, 06:54 AM   #2279
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Game of Thrones is a failure?? Someone should tell HBO.
GoT imo is a creative failure. Another example of an unnecessarily complicated drama that has too many characters and plotlines to be entertaining. I don't mind ambitious large scale storytelling but to this degree begins to overwhelm the series. Plus for me the material isn't all that interesting,,,only seeming somewhat sophisticated. Gratuitous nudity and in your face gore just underscores the writers trying too hard to be bold.
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Old April 9 2013, 02:32 PM   #2280
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add me to the camp that thinks Abrams is overrated. He seems to love twists for the sake of them and doesn't care about developing a story I.e. Alias, lost.
Again, you're making the mistake of assuming that Abrams is the head writer on every show he executive-produces. That's true of Alias but not Lost. Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse were Lost's showrunners.

Okay, I'll make it simple. Here's an exhaustive list of all the Abrams-produced TV shows where Abrams was actually the guy running the writers' room:

Felicity
Alias


That's it. Two shows, the last one of which ended seven years ago.

Next, here are all the shows that Abrams co-created and wrote and directed the pilot for, but then turned over to others to write and produce on a weekly basis:

Lost (created with Jeffrey Lieber & Lindelof, run by Lindelof & Cuse)
Fringe (created with Kurtzman & Orci, mostly run by J.H. Wyman & Jeff Pinkner)
Undercovers (created with Josh Reims, run by Reims)

And here are the Bad Robot shows where Abrams is just an executive producer:

What About Brian (created by Dana Stevens, run by various)
Six Degrees (cr. Raven Metzner & Stu Zicherman, run by Kenneth Biller)
Alcatraz (cr. Steven Lilien, Elizabeth Sarnoff & Bryan Wynbrandt, run by Sarnoff & Jennifer Johnson and later Daniel Pyne)
Person of Interest (cr. Jonathan Nolan, run by Greg Plageman)
Revolution (created & run by Eric Kripke)

Granted, Abrams does supervise all these productions; the various showrunners all consult with him and he contributes to the creative process and has approval over their decisions. But in recent years he's concentrated primarily on writing and directing movies and thus has left the day-to-day work on Bad Robot's TV shows in the hands of other people.
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