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Old April 2 2013, 01:35 AM   #31
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Re: A New Star Trek Show Will Need a Stronger Focus on Characterizatio

Another thing - "Duet" is not some brilliant high-water mark in American dramatic television. It's a good story, very derivative of a well-regarded film, and it's something perhaps a bit more sophisticated for modern Star Trek than fans were accustomed to in most of the years of TNG that had preceded DS9 - that's all.

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Well, I'd definitely rate Deep Space 9 and Babylon 5 as better drama than mediocre shlock like CSI or House if we're talking about shows nominated for that category.
That does establish the boundaries of your taste fairly definitively.

Thankfully I tend to value sci-fi award bodies more than the showbiz ones. Those are just an excuse for celebrities to pat eachother on the back.
And sci-fi awards shows are nothing but opportunities for fans to flatter themselves. So nu?

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Old April 2 2013, 03:41 AM   #32
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Neither C.S.I. Nor House were nominated in years either of those sf series were eligible, anyways. Might as well also complain about past nominees like Dallas or Dynasty being inferior to whatever personal favorite you happen to have.
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Old April 2 2013, 05:30 AM   #33
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Yeah, I need to see The Man in the Glass Booth, which was a few years before my time, for that sort of thing.
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Old April 2 2013, 01:48 PM   #34
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There's no reason the studio would use DS9 as the model for a new Trek series - they'll continue to look toward the most commercially successful examples from the past, not the fan-favorite niche shows.
Except DS9 is most like a modern TV show then the other Trek shows. Really most of the good TV shows on cable focus on characterization and ongoing plots.

A new Star Trek show will have to be a show of this era, not try to be a show from the 60s or 80s.
Yet when said show is produced and made, certain fans of an older age will be complaining about it being 'too modern' as well as complaining that 'it's too dirty/filthy/dark and my kids can't see it because of that', so they'll either stick with the older shows on DVD or with the fan productions like Phase II because Phase II's 'the real Star Trek'. Mark my words and make of this what you will.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:01 PM   #35
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Forget that characterization stuff. Lots of explosions and boobies will definitely make a future show a big hit.
characterisation + violence + boobies is the key.

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Old April 8 2013, 03:21 PM   #36
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Forget that characterization stuff. Lots of explosions and boobies will definitely make a future show a big hit.
So...Exploding Boobies is the way to go now?

And would those be "Hot Alien Babe" TOS-Style Boobies or Lost in Space-Style "Dunder Headed Boobies"?
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Old April 9 2013, 01:12 AM   #37
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Forget that characterization stuff. Lots of explosions and boobies will definitely make a future show a big hit.
So...Exploding Boobies is the way to go now?

And would those be "Hot Alien Babe" TOS-Style Boobies or Lost in Space-Style "Dunder Headed Boobies"?
Dunno, because of the rest of my quote that was overlooked:
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Seriously, though, I'm inclined to think a new Trek show will have a smaller cast of main characters (4 to 5), with other positions filled in with reoccurring characters when a story requires them. Under that scenario, a tighter focus on the main characters will be kinda unavoidable, IMO, especially with the TNG, VOY, & ENT style of storytelling being over with Rick Berman's departure.
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Old April 9 2013, 03:11 AM   #38
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DS9 used all its characters, but most of them were not particularly likeable. That's the main reason to avoid that model.
Breaking Bad is filled with unlikable characters and it was still a success. Unlikable characters can be fine, as long as they're interesting.
Unlikeable characters are practically mandatory on cable/streaming now, and since there's no chance a Trek series would be made solely for broadcast (assuming broadcast even survives long enough), then the next series is most likely going to follow suit in that regards.

None of the Trek series will be used as a model. They are too far in the rear-view mirror. The TV business has moved on and the new successful genre series - Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead - are more likely to be models because they are the closest you can get nowadays to sic fi/cult audience stuff, and they are successful right now, not ten or twenty or fifty years ago.

So there will be more sex, lots more violence and gore, political machinations, backstabbing characters, adult themes, etc. More serialization and more attention to characterization than even DS9. No more Ferengi comedies and romances of the week. Sounds good to me.

Of course an animated series for kids would follow entirely different rules. in that case, it would be like The Clone Wars.

Predicting the form that the next series will take is easy. TV is nothing if not predictable. First, find out where it's going to be shown. Then look around for successful current examples of shows that are some kind of sci fi or close to it. That's what it will be like.
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Old April 15 2013, 01:54 AM   #39
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Of course an animated series for kids would follow entirely different rules. in that case, it would be like The Clone Wars.
Personally, I'd prefer an animated series to a live-action one, with a focus not on action and space battles, but exploration and character. Something like LOST, complete with Lost-style flashbacks of a character in each episode where we learn their histories, what makes them who they are today, how they ended up in Starfleet and how they each ended up on the Enterprise.

Crew beams to the planet surface to rescue survivors.

Kirk: McCoy, check 'em out.
McCoy runs his medical tricorder on a few survivors. He stops short when he gets to a young lady. His eyes widen.
Kirk: Bones. Bones, what is it?
Young Woman (to McCoy): Hello, father.

Angle on McCoy then--

whoosh!

McCoy at Joana's birth.

Hey, why not? It could work.
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Old April 15 2013, 03:29 AM   #40
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DS9 used all its characters, but most of them were not particularly likeable. That's the main reason to avoid that model.
Breaking Bad is filled with unlikable characters and it was still a success. Unlikable characters can be fine, as long as they're interesting.
Unlikeable characters are practically mandatory on cable/streaming now, and since there's no chance a Trek series would be made solely for broadcast (assuming broadcast even survives long enough), then the next series is most likely going to follow suit in that regards.

None of the Trek series will be used as a model. They are too far in the rear-view mirror. The TV business has moved on and the new successful genre series - Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead - are more likely to be models because they are the closest you can get nowadays to sic fi/cult audience stuff, and they are successful right now, not ten or twenty or fifty years ago.

So there will be more sex, lots more violence and gore, political machinations, backstabbing characters, adult themes, etc. More serialization and more attention to characterization than even DS9. No more Ferengi comedies and romances of the week. Sounds good to me.
I think one of the biggest issues with pre-2009 Trek was that it had begun to take itself way too seriously and had stopped becoming fun for anyone other than diehard Trekkies. It had become more inaccessible than accessible to a larger audience. A new Trek series probably will be very much like the Abrams movies in tone and will have no more sex, violence, etc., than those. And yes, there probably will be periodic comedic and romance episodes, although they probably won't feature Ferengi...maybe.
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Old April 16 2013, 11:23 PM   #41
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DS9 was one of my favorite shows period. They used every character fully, both recurring or main. I could never figure out what the point was for the character of Travis Mayweather. Harry Kim had a lot of scenes and major parts in several episodes while Mayweather had possibly less screen time than Morn on DS9.
Hell, Kim had more time on screen than Sulu ever did on TOS: he even got to schtupp some gals! Sulu never got that at all.
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Old April 16 2013, 11:39 PM   #42
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Well, I'd definitely rate Deep Space 9 and Babylon 5 as better drama than mediocre schlock like CSI or House if we're talking about shows nominated for that category.

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Old April 16 2013, 11:50 PM   #43
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There's always been a certain amount of silliness in Trek that we're all used to more or less overlooking because we really like the rest of it, or at least that's my experience. That shouldn't lead us to pretend the silliness isn't there.
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Old April 19 2013, 08:34 PM   #44
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Forget that characterization stuff. Lots of explosions and boobies will definitely make a future show a big hit.
So...Exploding Boobies is the way to go now?

And would those be "Hot Alien Babe" TOS-Style Boobies or Lost in Space-Style "Dunder Headed Boobies"?
Yeah.. if that's what the franchise will be reduced to.. let it die with dignity I say.

Seriously though, why pay for writers, actors and sets when you can get get a bunch of college students, liquor them up and set them all after a five figure prize and you get all the fake drama, sex and boobs you want. So much cheaper.
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Old April 20 2013, 04:35 AM   #45
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The model is the same in all Trek series. A Captain and crew, in space, having adventures and representin' freedom and the Federation Way(tm). Thats what a new show ought to be. I agree the characters need to be strong archetypes to explore these strange new worlds through.

What I do take from DS9 is a really nice synthesis of episodic and serial episodes.
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