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Old April 7 2013, 10:24 PM   #91
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As long as it doesn't look like a man in a suit, which to me has been all of them except for the first American one.

No suitimation for this movie. Godzilla will be 100% CGI.
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Old April 7 2013, 10:26 PM   #92
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I still say they should use performance capture, which is sort of the middle ground between "suitmation" and pure CGI.
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Old April 7 2013, 11:37 PM   #93
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I still say they should use performance capture, which is sort of the middle ground between "suitmation" and pure CGI.
I completely agree!
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Old April 8 2013, 01:37 AM   #94
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As long as it doesn't look like a man in a suit, which to me has been all of them except for the first American one.

No suitimation for this movie. Godzilla will be 100% CGI.
I seem to recall Roland Emmerich saying the same thing about the '98 movie but in the end they used a man in a suit and mechanical models.
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Old April 8 2013, 05:18 AM   #95
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That's why I never liked the look of Godfilla in the Japanese movies. That upright posture just screams IT'S A FAKE!
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Old April 8 2013, 09:02 AM   #96
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The man-in-a-suit posture is the best thing!
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Old April 8 2013, 09:54 AM   #97
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The man-in-a-suit posture is the best thing!
It looks fake! How good would Jurassic Park have been if the T-rex attack stared Barney the Dinosaur?



I thought so.
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Old April 8 2013, 02:44 PM   #98
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That's why I never liked the look of Godfilla in the Japanese movies. That upright posture just screams IT'S A FAKE!
And the fact that it's projected on a movie screen doesn't? Or the fact that everything about it is physically impossible? There's no way any living thing could get that large, there was never any dinosaur like that in the fossil record, and heck, plenty of the movies contain blatantly supernatural elements. Of course it's fake. It's all imaginary. A lot of it is allegorical. It's not trying to be realistic in any way.

Would you rather that Kermit the Frog be a CGI creature designed to look exactly like a real frog? Or that Roadrunner cartoons be about a realistically rendered coyote and roadrunner behaving in scientifically accurate ways? (In which case it would be a short and grisly series, since coyotes can actually run more than twice as fast as roadrunners.) Lots of things are supposed to look unrealistic. Kaiju battles are essentially a form of puppet theater, an art form that has a long history in Japan and elsewhere.

That said, some of the later Godzilla movies made considerable improvements in the special effects. There are some impressive ones in the films of the '90s and early 2000s.
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Old April 8 2013, 03:49 PM   #99
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That's why I never liked the look of Godfilla in the Japanese movies. That upright posture just screams IT'S A FAKE!
And the fact that it's projected on a movie screen doesn't? Or the fact that everything about it is physically impossible? There's no way any living thing could get that large, there was never any dinosaur like that in the fossil record, and heck, plenty of the movies contain blatantly supernatural elements. Of course it's fake. It's all imaginary. A lot of it is allegorical. It's not trying to be realistic in any way.

Would you rather that Kermit the Frog be a CGI creature designed to look exactly like a real frog? Or that Roadrunner cartoons be about a realistically rendered coyote and roadrunner behaving in scientifically accurate ways? (In which case it would be a short and grisly series, since coyotes can actually run more than twice as fast as roadrunners.) Lots of things are supposed to look unrealistic. Kaiju battles are essentially a form of puppet theater, an art form that has a long history in Japan and elsewhere.

That said, some of the later Godzilla movies made considerable improvements in the special effects. There are some impressive ones in the films of the '90s and early 2000s.


I like the last several movies, they had a guy in a suit at times, but also had CGI scenes to make Godzilla look really huge.
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Old April 8 2013, 07:12 PM   #100
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That's why I never liked the look of Godfilla in the Japanese movies. That upright posture just screams IT'S A FAKE!
The lumbering upright stance was considered correct in 1954. As I mentioned before I am on another Godzilla related forum discussing this new movie and there are very zealous fans who want the upright stance and are fearful that any more horizontal stance will be like the 1998 movie which many of them cannot stand with a firey passion.

I don't mind the traditional Godzilla stance. However, as it has been noted many of the Godzilla movies in the 2000s did alter that stance a bit even with a man in a suit.

For this movie I want to see something between the traditional stance and the stance used in Godzilla 1998.

I like this picture. I am not crazy about the face but it does depict the stance of Godzilla I would like to see.

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Old April 8 2013, 09:11 PM   #101
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I think Godzilla should have a human quality to an extent. It's that sense of humanity that makes him an identifiable character that audiences connect with, even when he's the villain of the piece. In the films, he's not just a rampaging animal, but has intelligence, cunning, and determination that let him prevail over all obstacles.
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Old April 8 2013, 09:33 PM   #102
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I think Godzilla should have a human quality to an extent. It's that sense of humanity that makes him an identifiable character that audiences connect with, even when he's the villain of the piece. In the films, he's not just a rampaging animal, but has intelligence, cunning, and determination that let him prevail over all obstacles.
I agree with what you're saying. I hope that is conveyed in the movie. How far upright fo you think he should be?
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I think Godzilla should have a human quality to an extent. It's that sense of humanity that makes him an identifiable character that audiences connect with, even when he's the villain of the piece. In the films, he's not just a rampaging animal, but has intelligence, cunning, and determination that let him prevail over all obstacles.
Absolutely. Don't want another dumb CGI monster. Boring. I hope Edwards gets the humour as well. Some of the Godzilla films have some great lol moments . Especially when he (?) is weighing up tactics.
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Absolutely. Don't want another dumb CGI monster. Boring. I hope Edwards gets the humour as well. Some of the Godzilla films have some great lol moments . Especially when he (?) is weighing up tactics.
From what I understand is were are going to get a serious "as if this is happening in the real world" type of movie. So whatever humor is there will probably be natural to the characters.
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Old April 8 2013, 10:16 PM   #105
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How far upright fo you think he should be?
I'm not thinking about it in such precise terms. Just something that captures the essence of Godzilla.

And for the record, I quite like the design of the creature in the 1998 film. As long as you accept that it was a different daikaiju that was just mistaken for Godzilla (as a line in GMK suggested), it works fine.
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