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Old April 7 2013, 11:52 PM   #136
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Re: Why Did Gene drop Christopher Pike?

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HERB: We had an option on Jeff Hunter for a series, but not for another pilot...we looked forward to running the completed pilot for our star...Gene and I waited in the Desilu projection room for him to arrive. He never did. Arriving in his stead was actress Sandy Bartlett, Mrs. Jeff Hunter...the lights came up, Jeff Hunter's wife gave us our answer: "This is not the kind of show Jeff wants to do, and besides, it wouldn't be good for his career. Jeff Hunter is a movie star." Mrs. Hunter was very polite and very firm,

--Inside Star Trek (hardcover), p. 63
Which doesn't exactly say he was "hard to get hold of", unless you are citing another reference or page.
So you're using a quote which states Jeff Hunter did a no-show to refute a claim of his being hard to get a hold of?

You are using a quote that states Jeff Hunter's position of wanting nothing more to do with "Star Trek" and his feelings of being above the material (as conveyed by an authorized represenative - his wife) to refute a claim that Jeff Hunter did not want to do "Star Trek" and that he felt it wasn't something he wanted to be associated with?

Also, what is it with folks trying to invalidate things by pointing out it was previously discussed in some other folder at some other time. That's fallacious.

For one thing, this all happened close to 50 years ago - I'm sure it's been discussed many times in many different places.

Another point, considering total number of threads on this Trek forum at ony one time it is beyond silly to expect that anyone be aware what's being said in every thread.

Thirdly, as a citation it is useless because in and of itself it is meaningless. The fact things may have been brought up in other folders doesn't mean any conclusions reached may have actually been the correct or only interpretations.

Of course, the simplest conclusion to your response would be that it is an ad hominem arguement which of course is a fallacy by definition.

All in my most humblest of opinions.
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Old April 8 2013, 03:04 AM   #137
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Re: Why Did Gene drop Christopher Pike?

Or more likely you're overreacting to someone quoting a primary source as opposed to paraphrasing.
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Old April 8 2013, 06:30 AM   #138
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Re: Why Did Gene drop Christopher Pike?

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Or more likely you're overreacting to someone quoting a primary source as opposed to paraphrasing.
Not hardly.

Why would one go to the trouble of posting an exact quote versus a paraphrasing wherein there is no substantial prima facie difference, benefit or elevation of the discussion?

Why bother to point out something was discussed elsewhere before when clearly that could be said of almost all items discussed in this and other forums?

Your actions as detailed above caused me puzzlement, Maurice, that's all.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:39 PM   #139
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Re: Why Did Gene drop Christopher Pike?

This is purely conjecture on my part with no refrences, but maybe he was happy with it at first but then peer pressure set in about being on such a show and then he turned against it. People do change their minds about things.

I mentioned once in a previous thread about some actors going uncredited because they didn't want to be associated with the show and I was promptly shushed, but not everyone had a positive image of science fiction in general at that time.
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Old April 8 2013, 11:19 PM   #140
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This is purely conjecture on my part with no refrences, but maybe he was happy with it at first but then peer pressure set in about being on such a show and then he turned against it. People do change their minds about things.

I mentioned once in a previous thread about some actors going uncredited because they didn't want to be associated with the show and I was promptly shushed, but not everyone had a positive image of science fiction in general at that time.
Your conjecture is just as good as everyone elses and please don't let anyone get you thinking otherwise. I may not personally agree, but I applaud your diverse point-of-view.

As to your specific theory, could be. He may have gotten opportunties in the interim between doing the pilot and the call for a second one. It's plausible and I had not previously considered it. Thank you.
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Old April 9 2013, 12:19 AM   #141
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Re: Why Did Gene drop Christopher Pike?

I can appreciate how some people would like to believe that Hunter had genuine enthusiasm for the show and that had circumstances been different he would have accepted the role of captain for the 2nd pilot. But I don't think it's really possible to truly know from what little we're given from the few sources available.

Hunter was in at least 2 productions that were published in 1967 following the 1st Star Trek pilot, with nothing noted in 1966. It's likely Hunter didn't have offers waiting for him at the time, but likely he was prospecting for other work. According to the 1994 authorized biography of Gene Roddenberry, Gene had written Hunter in April 1965 saying "I am told you have decided not to go ahead with Star Trek. This has to be your own decision, of course, and I must respect it. You may be certain I hold no grudge or ill feelings and expect to continue to reflect publicly and privately the high regard I learned for you during the production of our pilot."

I think we can agree there's a consensus that Gene did NOT drop Hunter as eluded to by the OP. Jeffrey decided not to sign up for the 2nd pilot, and it doesn't really matter if it was his idea or his wife's. Apparently he didn't disagree with his wife either, or he would have responded to Gene with reconsideration.


At the time, television programs weren't as highly regarded as movies, and certainly sci-fi was looked down upon as B-movie material (it is a far cry from how things are today). It's all about context. And frankly, if Hunter was keeping any tabs on Star Trek, by the start of the 3rd season seeing the show shelved into the "dead slot", he was probably thinking he made the right choice.
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