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Old April 6 2013, 11:39 AM   #76
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Taking the Stone: I got a little confused here because I thought the people on the planet might be Chiana's species. They moved in her distinctive way at times, but I guess this wasn't the case.

I think the acting is fantastic with Chiana, the movements as though she has extra joints and is extra limber.. she looks like a marionette! Her odd inflections and almost hissing way of talking.. it's a very satisfying and believable alien package.

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A ramped up blend of Miri and Terra Nova. But with no rescue of the people at the end because this isn't Star Trek

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Old April 6 2013, 01:40 PM   #77
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Glad you're enjoying Chiana, the last "First Time Watcher" thread, the guy hated Chiana with a passion and stopped watching the show. Taking the Stone is pretty much universally panned as being amongst the lowest of entertainment for Farscape, so, if you enjoyed this one, there's almost nothing worse in the whole series and you've got some great stuff just around the corner
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Old April 6 2013, 02:12 PM   #78
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I like how Crichton is now wearing a peacekeeper coat he picked up somewhere, or perhaps it was left behind by Crais. He looks a bit playing dressups in that long swashbuckling thing.

I want that coat so much. It is just the best coat ever. I managed to find something as near to it as possible in a Berlin thrift store (well, 150 euro is not that thrifty...), but tbh it's a bit more Jack Harkness than John Crichton. Still - WANT.


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I think the acting is fantastic with Chiana, the movements as though she has extra joints and is extra limber.. she looks like a marionette! Her odd inflections and almost hissing way of talking.. it's a very satisfying and believable alien package.
If I recall, Gigi Edgely (Chiana actress) is indeed trained in circus arts or gymnastics or contortionism or something, and she does use that very effectively to create a convincingly alien character. The black-and-white makeup is really the smallest part of her alien-ness.

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Old April 6 2013, 10:47 PM   #79
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Glad you're enjoying Chiana, the last "First Time Watcher" thread, the guy hated Chiana with a passion and stopped watching the show. Taking the Stone is pretty much universally panned as being amongst the lowest of entertainment for Farscape, so, if you enjoyed this one, there's almost nothing worse in the whole series and you've got some great stuff just around the corner


I think she's a great character! I like how she's emotionally adolescent, it's very well done. I can't imagine what anyone would hate about her.

As to lowest.. I.E.T. was the worst so far, the real clunker. Mainly because the story was so TNG.. I wouldn't have hated it if it was TNG, I would have been "meh, typical Trek" but I don't want to see that kind of story outside of Roddenberry land.

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I want that coat so much. It is just the best coat ever. I managed to find something as near to it as possible in a Berlin thrift store (well, 150 euro is not that thrifty...), but tbh it's a bit more Jack Harkness than John Crichton. Still - WANT.
It seems a fairly basic coat, older formal attire for the pompish flair it goes into.. and you could put on the stripes and buttons. Nice military touch. If they were in gold it would be a Londo Mollari coat It looks great.

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I think the acting is fantastic with Chiana, the movements as though she has extra joints and is extra limber.. she looks like a marionette! Her odd inflections and almost hissing way of talking.. it's a very satisfying and believable alien package.
If I recall, Gigi Edgely (Chiana actress) is indeed trained in circus arts or gymnastics or contortionism or something, and she does use that very effectively to create a convincingly alien character. The black-and-white makeup is really the smallest part of her alien-ness.

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Yeah that is so true, her alien-ness is not just the make up and hair. I am very impressed.
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Old April 7 2013, 04:28 PM   #80
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Taking the Stone: I got a little confused here because I thought the people on the planet might be Chiana's species. They moved in her distinctive way at times, but I guess this wasn't the case.

I think the acting is fantastic with Chiana, the movements as though she has extra joints and is extra limber.. she looks like a marionette! Her odd inflections and almost hissing way of talking.. it's a very satisfying and believable alien package.

Transparent baby stomach!!

A ramped up blend of Miri and Terra Nova. But with no rescue of the people at the end because this isn't Star Trek
I agree that Star Trek is the best thing that ever happened to science fiction, and that nothing will ever come close, but why don't you stop comparing Farscape to it, and enjoy it on it's own terms?

Plus, Farscape employed Naren Shankar, a writer who wrote for TNG. Also, an episode of Farscape which you have yet to see was originally written by Shankar FOR TNG, but Berman didn't like it for reasons that I don't recall. You will find THAT story an the episode's commentary. I won't say anymore since you don't like spoliers, but I'm interested to read your thoughts on it.
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Old April 7 2013, 07:30 PM   #81
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I see Farscape as what Voyager should have been - a group of people who do not necessarily care for each other, stuck on a ship together, in the middle of nowhere, trying to get home. I think what teacake indicated there is something I see too - Farscape will venture where Star Trek always feared to go.

as one example.
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Old April 7 2013, 10:44 PM   #82
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Taking the Stone: I got a little confused here because I thought the people on the planet might be Chiana's species. They moved in her distinctive way at times, but I guess this wasn't the case.

I think the acting is fantastic with Chiana, the movements as though she has extra joints and is extra limber.. she looks like a marionette! Her odd inflections and almost hissing way of talking.. it's a very satisfying and believable alien package.

Transparent baby stomach!!

A ramped up blend of Miri and Terra Nova. But with no rescue of the people at the end because this isn't Star Trek
I agree that Star Trek is the best thing that ever happened to science fiction, and that nothing will ever come close, but why don't you stop comparing Farscape to it, and enjoy it on it's own terms?


I am enjoying it on it's own terms, often I enjoy it more because it isn't Star Trek. Such as in my above example. I can't help Star Trek episodes coming to mind when watching Farscape or Stargate or any other episodic science fiction that co-existed in the same era as Trek because I've been marinating my brain in Trek for decades now.

Also I would never say Star Trek is the best thing that ever happened to science fiction as far as it's qualities go. I would much rather have had 5 series of Babylon 5. But I suppose it is the best thing in that its popularity allowed other science fiction shows to be possible.
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Old April 8 2013, 02:15 AM   #83
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Yeah I didn't read into anything besides "Star Trek is awesome, but I love Farscape because it's not Star Trek". There is room for for all love.
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Old April 8 2013, 08:46 AM   #84
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I never even said Star Trek was awesome!

"A ramped up blend of Miri and Terra Nova. But with no rescue of the people at the end because this isn't Star Trek "

That was a backhanded smack in Star Trek's face. For being too goody goody at the expense of realism, something I've made digs about for years.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:07 PM   #85
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Crackers Don't Matter: Wow. That was real. Whacky and hilarious and revealing and awful. Browder is fantastic, he must have been bored to death on Stargate after this role.



The way they ramped it up and up and up.. everything going a step further than I would have expected it to.




And so many clever lines and moments but no descent into dumb zaniness.. you know how sometimes a story is weak and they just fill it up with zaniness when Our Heroes are under the effect of something. In this episode it was filled up with content that exposed the characters in ways we may not have wanted to see.




And then there was..

"I hate it.. when villains quote Shakespeare."

BEST. LINE. EVER.





So. Very impressed.
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Definitely one of the best episodes.
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Crackers don't matter is one hell of an episode.
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One of my favorite things about Farscape is that some of the most batshit insane episodes also tend to be some of the most poignant.
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Taking the Stone: I got a little confused here because I thought the people on the planet might be Chiana's species. They moved in her distinctive way at times, but I guess this wasn't the case.

I think the acting is fantastic with Chiana, the movements as though she has extra joints and is extra limber.. she looks like a marionette! Her odd inflections and almost hissing way of talking.. it's a very satisfying and believable alien package.

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A ramped up blend of Miri and Terra Nova. But with no rescue of the people at the end because this isn't Star Trek
I agree that Star Trek is the best thing that ever happened to science fiction, and that nothing will ever come close, but why don't you stop comparing Farscape to it, and enjoy it on it's own terms?


I am enjoying it on it's own terms, often I enjoy it more because it isn't Star Trek. Such as in my above example. I can't help Star Trek episodes coming to mind when watching Farscape or Stargate or any other episodic science fiction that co-existed in the same era as Trek because I've been marinating my brain in Trek for decades now.

Also I would never say Star Trek is the best thing that ever happened to science fiction as far as it's qualities go. I would much rather have had 5 series of Babylon 5. But I suppose it is the best thing in that its popularity allowed other science fiction shows to be possible.
Oh. It just seemed that way to me because I keep reading "because this isn't Star Trek" in your comments.

Comments that I'm enjoying by the way.

And I agree with your comment on Babylon 5, there SHOULD be five series of that (it is, after all, the second best universe after Star Trek). The only problem there is that after the initial five year run, with the exception of "In the Beginning", all the B5 follow-ups just weren't as good as the series itself.
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Old April 8 2013, 11:08 PM   #90
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Thing is though many people like to single out individual Trek series as having departed from Trek standards and sunk the ship they are all pretty equal as far as production and stories go. None of them take as huge a departure from previous series as Crusade did, or The Legend of the Rangers. I think SG:U and Caprica riled people up because they were such a departure in pace but not because it was some bargain basement shittiness compared to what came before it in any way like what we got with Bab 5.

That said I still liked everything in the Bab 5 universe and would watch it if it was filmed in JMS's living room with puppets.
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