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Old April 6 2013, 11:42 AM   #136
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You can explain it ALL away.. :: waves hand :: with the father being an different species.
Well it's obvious now that you've said it

For some reason long gestation, quick growth doesn't seem a problem to me. Maybe I'm just weird when it comes what I nitpick over.
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Old April 7 2013, 10:28 PM   #137
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Twisted

Interesting bottle episode. But some of the acting is questionable. Garrett Wang in particular is pretty bad here.
Even the crew are getting sick of Neelix now. He is really getting annoying now.

I like that cloud left a tonne of info in the computer. I hope this comes back into play.

Parturition

Ok Janeway' s got a new haircut. And it's a pretty decent one.

Actually this episode was pretty decent all round. Some good writing and watching it straight after twisted I can't help but think that the other episode's problems were more dialogue driven then anything.

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Old April 7 2013, 10:56 PM   #138
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Twisted

Interesting bottle episode. But some of the acting is questionable. Garrett Wang in particular is pretty bad here.
Even the crew are getting sick of Neelix now. He is really getting annoying now.

I like that cloud left a tonne of info in the computer. I hope this comes back into play.
I've always enjoyed watching Twisted. Yeah Neelix was annoying Kes in particular in that episode.
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Old April 7 2013, 11:16 PM   #139
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I liked "Twisted", simply because it's the type of weird-ass-WTF-shit mindscrew I like to see once in a while.
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Old April 8 2013, 12:33 AM   #140
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Twisted makes no sense at all. But I guess if that's your thing, then that's your episode. And let's have it for our morale officer... jealous to the point where he thinks Kes is sleeping with half the ship! Given his character flaws, he should be worshiping Kes as a goddess and drinking wine from her shoes, that he has a real live girlfriend. Instead... we get this pettiness.

Parturition... well Neelix goes from jealousy to stalking, to assaulting members of the crew, threatening their life. Our morale officer in action! Funny thing is Paris, who obviously is attracted to Kes, is even trying to do the right thing. Though it was only inevitable there would be a food fight in the galley I suppose.

I'm often critical of Janeway, but I do love her reaction to this absurdity just telling them to deal with it and probably laughing manically once the door closed behind them. Too bad no one decided to hold Neelix accountable for being a complete jerk. Beyond that the plot is rather cliche... two people with tension created this episode have to resolve their problems, take care of baby plot... exit cliche.
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Old April 8 2013, 02:20 AM   #141
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Twisted makes no sense at all. But I guess if that's your thing, then that's your episode. And let's have it for our morale officer... jealous to the point where he thinks Kes is sleeping with half the ship! Given his character flaws, he should be worshiping Kes as a goddess and drinking wine from her shoes, that he has a real live girlfriend. Instead... we get this pettiness.
I know right! Every time I try and get a guy to drink wine of my shoes I get the same kind of bullshit.
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Old April 8 2013, 09:18 AM   #142
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R. Star, I think you just nailed how I feel about Neelix in the run up to these episodes. It's just extremely petty. And I really liked Paris, the fact he hadn't realised how he felt about Kes until that moment in the simulator. As someone who's been in a similar situation it felt great. Though his reaction to the Mess Hall scene was a bit over the top.

And the plot may be a cliche, but the dialogue raises it over it. I've thought a few times that Voyager was becoming quite stilted, and until I watched this I couldn't put my finger on what it was exactly. Apart from the Mess hall, of course. Though a little slapstick never hurt anyone.
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Old April 8 2013, 09:21 AM   #143
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I like Twisted. The 'surrender to your fate' episode.
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Old April 8 2013, 11:26 AM   #144
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Maybe Neelix represents the kind of guy that thinks he's God's Gift To Women, and that they'd better start treating him as such. But then he tries to put a guilt trip on her about all the sacrifices he made to rescue her, and how grateful she should be.
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Old April 8 2013, 12:13 PM   #145
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He is way in over his head with everything. Kes is much smarter than him and learning at a phenomenal rate. Voyager's crew is a disciplined military organization and he's used to living as a drifter. All the story telling bullshit he's gotten by on just fine is suddenly under scrutiny and he has to cough up something useful for these advanced people on this advanced starship who his advanced girlfriend is seemingly fitting in with rather well. And look at this starship's males with their nice smooth fur-less faces like Kes's own people, why she even looks like one of them..

He's freaking out all over the place.
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Old April 8 2013, 12:28 PM   #146
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That's in his head.

Just because he doesn't feel worthy and thinks everyone is after her, it only means that he's a paranoid psychotic and not that his world is actually tumbling in on him.

Kes barely notices how he's freaking out this week.

You think he's being possessive?

This girl used to be a SLAVE!

She feels overjoyed not to be chained up to a wall and beaten to sleep.

Her patience was infinite.

After Warlord, we don't know what happened, but right now, I'm thinking that he ratified the false brake-up and she cried her heart out wondering what was wrong with Neelix and why their love wouldn't last forever when to was certinly supposed to... Otherwise she might not have given him a lung so quickly.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:09 PM   #147
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This girl used to be a SLAVE!
My god, now I absolutely HATE him.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:18 PM   #148
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Kes' mistake was not saying, "Neelix, it's over. And I want my lung back."
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Old April 8 2013, 01:27 PM   #149
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She's only going to live nine years, she doesn't need that lung.

I assume the Ocampans must mate for life, since they don't live long enough to get sick of each other.. and she was probably at a loss as to how to break up with someone and what was required. I bet she took all her cues from the soap operas she watched in Future's End!
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Old April 8 2013, 01:29 PM   #150
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Well Kes is an idiot if she didn't get the 9 year old lung her doppleganger from Fury was using, even if it wa a little worn for wear.

How come in Jetrel they turned back, went right off the sacred course home to find Neeix a cure for his space-cancer, but they were willing to take him all the way to Earth despite being confined to an iron lung and quite useless tot he mission months earlier when they were much closer one would assume to Talaxia?

Hells, in Deadlock, why not harvest Neelix and Kes, and send their lungs over to the other Voyager that wasn't going to self destruct in the next 4 minutes along with Kim and the baby?
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