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Old April 7 2013, 09:11 AM   #106
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Sorry, except for the bit around the neck those other grills and details are too generic to too many styles to say art deco to me.
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Old April 7 2013, 06:55 PM   #107
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Does that mean that the Bird of Prey is "Steampunk?"



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Old April 7 2013, 08:06 PM   #108
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Does anyone know if Wah Chang designed the BoP or manufactured it from Jefferies' design? I have never seen a Jefferies sketch for the BoP, so I assume the former.

I think the design stays close to the requirements of the script -- a stolen Starfleet design. It's a saucer extended to support the nacelles without a secondary hull, with pylons shaped to look like the wings mentioned in the dialogue. Vaguely Art Deco/Streamline Moderne but really more Googie in its saucer and rocket cues.
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Old April 7 2013, 08:24 PM   #109
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By "bird of prey," do you mean the battlecruiser (also known as the D-7)? I'm pretty sure that's a Matt Jefferies design.
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Old April 7 2013, 08:29 PM   #110
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No... the original, pre-STIII confusion Romulan Bird of Prey:

http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicl...lan_BOP_01.jpg
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Old April 7 2013, 08:31 PM   #111
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Oh. Yeah, I think that one was Wah Chang's.

That's certainly what the article at Memory Alpha says: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Romu..._(23rd_century)
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Old April 7 2013, 09:16 PM   #112
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I don't believe any Star Trek television show or feature film feels truly futuristic, with the possible exception of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
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Old April 7 2013, 09:24 PM   #113
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Wah Chang built the Romulan ship, yes. I don't know if anyone ever turned up a Jefferies sketch of it.
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Old April 7 2013, 09:39 PM   #114
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Each Star Trek bridge has looked pretty futuristic to me at the time it was produced with the exception of STAR TREK (2009). That's the only bridge that felt over designed and focused on aesthetics over function.

Its the only bridge that seemed dated straight away and I'm not talking about the spotlights.

In fact I liked everything about that movie apart from the production design. To me, it didn't create a believable universe, which tended to pull me out of the movie.
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Old April 7 2013, 09:39 PM   #115
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I don't believe any Star Trek television show or feature film feels truly futuristic, with the possible exception of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
Good point.
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Old April 8 2013, 12:14 AM   #116
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Each Star Trek bridge has looked pretty futuristic to me at the time it was produced with the exception of STAR TREK (2009). That's the only bridge that felt over designed and focused on aesthetics over function.

Its the only bridge that seemed dated straight away and I'm not talking about the spotlights.

In fact I liked everything about that movie apart from the production design. To me, it didn't create a believable universe, which tended to pull me out of the movie.
Tough titties,

That movie was sour dreck or a satre wreck. Take you're pick.

Another interested unrelated note, while the SFX were good in TMP, I find some of the fan film SFX better than Trumble's jumble, er, space jungle. Also anybody notice the symbolic metaphor of the words V'ger and it's predassessor, Nsa? Maybe Admiral Probert would know.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:02 AM   #117
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I wish people would stop using "art deco" to describe things which aren't. Nothing much in the original Star Trek is art deco.
Most of my few complaints about the refit track back to Abel's art director Richard Taylor wanting art deco incorporated ... hence the saucer rim lines, which scale-wise actually hurt the look, and some of the nacelle detail, which is I think based on an old car (and looks lousy compared with the TOS big spinning ball nacelles, for me at least.)
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Old April 8 2013, 05:01 AM   #118
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I guess it wasn't Colt but someone equally as beautiful if not more so. Was it Marianna Hill? as Dr. Helen Noel?
I don't know. Though I find nothing censor worthy about the word "bucks" or the context it was allegedly used.
It's from "Who Mourns from Adonias? Lt. Palamas (Leslie Parrish) talking to Kirk at the start of the episode.
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Old April 8 2013, 06:29 AM   #119
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It's from "Who Mourns from Adonias? Lt. Palamas (Leslie Parrish) talking to Kirk at the start of the episode.

Thanks! I was wracking my brain to come up with that and couldn't. My mind kept going to Martha Landon in "The Apple."
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Old April 8 2013, 06:49 AM   #120
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Most of my few complaints about the refit track back to Abel's art director Richard Taylor wanting art deco incorporated ... hence the saucer rim lines, which scale-wise actually hurt the look, and some of the nacelle detail, which is I think based on an old car (and looks lousy compared with the TOS big spinning ball nacelles, for me at least.)
I'm not sure what "rim lines" you're referring to. Do you mean the horizontal stripes that encircle the outer edge of the saucer?

The TMP refit nacelles were based not on a car, but a once-futuristic locomotive:



What I'm not too crazy about is that the front end of each warp nacelle bears a cross that looks like "the" Cross, which is way out of place unless the ship was launched by United Federation of Presbyterians or something.
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