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Old April 7 2013, 09:28 AM   #61
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Re: Uh-Oh!! Is Microsoft setting up to answer Sony?

I guess Sony also learned a lesson with the PS3 launch and won't offer it for double the price as the 360. However once could argue that the inclusion of the BR drive (at the time not the only HD medium) has let the price skyrocket.

Now all technologies are more or less readily available.. no risky experiments so i guess the price for both consoles will be around the same.

This summer and fall is going to be very interesting when real informations gets released.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:12 PM   #62
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Now all technologies are more or less readily available.. no risky experiments so i guess the price for both consoles will be around the same.
The tech is readily available, but the new Xbox is almost certainly going to include the new Kinect. Is Sony's new version of the Eye that they've been showing off going to be a pack-in too? If not, that'll probably let them undercut Microsoft.

Also, Microsoft, if you're listening: let us bring our own hard drive this time.
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Old April 7 2013, 05:23 PM   #63
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^^Very good point on the third party HDD, one of the best features on the PS3 in my view, i have a 320gig HDD in both my PS3's and its been a god send, and they only cost me £49 each a few years ago, talk about bang for your buck.
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Old April 7 2013, 05:59 PM   #64
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Re: Uh-Oh!! Is Microsoft setting up to answer Sony?

Here's some more evidence suggesting that Durango will require an online connection. I have no idea who this guy is, but Neogaf seems to consider him extremely reliable.

Paul Thurrott wrote:
Folks, the next Xbox is going to require an always-on Internet connection. I don’t know the specifics of what that means, but as I explained on this week’s What The Tech podcast, which was recorded on Friday instead of the usual Tuesday because of my travel earlier in this week, this piece of information had been communicated to me, along with some other relevant tidbits, in January. It’s true.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=536091
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Old April 7 2013, 07:26 PM   #65
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From a parody Twitter account...

Sorry, I couldn’t tweet earlier about Adam Orth’s comments about the XBOX always online rumors. My internet connection was down
If the next XBOX does have always online DRM, it will stop people pirating their games as it will stop people from buying the console
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Old April 7 2013, 07:57 PM   #66
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Kelthaz wrote: View Post
Here's some more evidence suggesting that Durango will require an online connection. I have no idea who this guy is, but Neogaf seems to consider him extremely reliable.
Paul Thurrott is definitely credible. You can read a little about him at this Wiki entry, if you're so inclined. The short story is that he's a well-established technology reporter.
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Old April 8 2013, 02:50 AM   #67
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Paul Thurrott is definitely credible. You can read a little about him at this Wiki entry, if you're so inclined. The short story is that he's a well-established technology reporter.
Okay, then I'm taking his second claim a bit more seriously now.

The new Xbox will cost about 500$ for a normal unit, or 300$ for a subscription model (no details on this) when launched in November. Also, a $99 Xbox 360 codenamed "Stingray" will also be released in November because the Durango will not be backwards compatible with 360 games.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=536163
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Old April 8 2013, 05:22 PM   #68
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Now we're being told that the Nextbox reveal has been pushed back to May 21st. This is the second time they've pushed back the reveal a month, giving the PS4 three months in the limelight. It kinda gives the impression that MS are struggling to come up with something to compete with what the PS4 is offering, and that lends some credence to the suggestions that the always online rumours are being leaked to lower expectations. At least, I hope that's the case.
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Old April 8 2013, 05:52 PM   #69
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The new Xbox will cost about 500$ for a normal unit, or 300$ for a subscription model (no details on this) when launched in November. Also, a $99 Xbox 360 codenamed "Stingray" will also be released in November because the Durango will not be backwards compatible with 360 games.
Just when I thought I couldn't lose any more anticipation for the next XBox, WTF is going on at Microsoft
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Old April 8 2013, 06:07 PM   #70
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The problem with the idea for an always on-line console, is that you immediatly exclude a number of potential custimers. i.e those that don't have an internet connection.
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Old April 8 2013, 06:37 PM   #71
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The problem with the idea for an always on-line console, is that you immediatly exclude a number of potential custimers. i.e those that don't have an internet connection.
And what if our internet is fine but XBL goes down at least when PSN was hacked the other year I still could play offline on the PS3.
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Old April 8 2013, 06:51 PM   #72
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Now we're being told that the Nextbox reveal has been pushed back to May 21th. This is the second time they've pushed back the reveal a month, giving the PS4 three months in the limelight. It kinda gives the impression that MS are struggling to come up with something to compete with what the PS4 is offering, and that lends some credence to the suggestions that the always online rumours are being leaked to lower expectations. At least, I hope that's the case.
Maybe, just maybe, MS is really worried about the always on feature.. it wouldn't be a big deal at all if Sony had it to but now, especially with the recent PR debacle, it's something that has very negative undertones in the gaming community and maybe MS needs more time to decide if they want to go through with it or do a very last minute redesign.

Wouldn't count on it.. the new XBox will sell very well, that's a given and MS might just think "To hell with this loud minority".. who knows.
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Old April 9 2013, 01:52 PM   #73
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Wouldn't count on it.. the new XBox will sell very well, that's a given and MS might just think "To hell with this loud minority".. who knows.
I don't know that it necessarily will sell well. Sony dominated the previous two generations, now they're fighting with MS over second place worldwide, and are a distant third place in the US. That's partly because of the Wii phenomenon, partly because Sony acted arrogantly and released an expensive console that pushed their hardware agenda, namely the cell processor and blu-ray. If these rumours are true then MS appears to be making the same mistake next gen, they're releasing an expensive console that pushes an always online connection and Kinect. They'll probably do well enough, but they're risking the gains they made with the 360. Meanwhile, Sony appears to have learned from the mistakes of the PS3 and it seems like they're making a console that caters to everyone's wishes. If this all comes to pass, there's every chance that the PS4 will dominate its generation the way the PS1 and PS2 did.
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Old April 9 2013, 02:57 PM   #74
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Doing well enough is exactly that.. it will sell well enough to stay in the market successfully. One thing that idiot was right with was that permanent internet connections have become the standard and it won't matter much technically for the core customer. However it is still bad press and they didn't get the chance to break the news on their terms. I'm really looking forward to see how MS tries to spin this.
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Old April 10 2013, 05:53 PM   #75
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Read some a interesting article on GameSpot UK about always online XBox...

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No matter how much Microsoft wants to release an always-on console, it's clear from the internet backlash they don't want such a device: bullying them into it isn't going to work.
Persistent online games are often released to disastrous results, EA's SimCity launched with a string of server problems that meant players couldn't play a game--single-player or otherwise without huge waits or restrictions on content. Diablo III's login server buckled under the pressure at launch, with thousands of paying customers unable to play the game.
If every new Xbox has to be online to play games, there could be potentially millions upon millions of people connecting to its servers at once, which could cause all manner of issues
The latest FCC broadband progress report shows that 37 percent of Americans, 119 million people in all, don't have broadband (defined as 4Mbps down and 1Mbps up) internet. 10 million of that is made up of citizens who don't have access to broadband, while the other 100 million live in areas where broadband is available but do not subscribe.
The latest report from the UK Office for National Statistics puts internet access in the UK at 21 million households, or around 80 percent of the population. Of those 21 million, 93 percent are connected via broadband, leaving the remaining 13 percent languishing on dialup connections.

Clearly then, there's a significant proportion of people across two of the Xbox's biggest markets that don't have an internet connection suitable for an always-online console.
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