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Old March 19 2013, 06:50 PM   #211
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now i dont like religion, but sagart has been pretty decent in his posts. and though i agree with stj's criticisms of his popeyness, delivering it in a ranty fashion won't help.
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Old March 19 2013, 09:56 PM   #212
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Translation: The only defense of Pope Sucio's previous career is bullshit. We know for a fact that this clown was a moral misleader and not even the so-called reasonable posters dare to confront the case against him.
People don't care about what happened in Argentina. Several thousand people disappeared in a backwater Spanish country, it's just a statistic to most posters here. The fact that most of them spoke no English and were foreigners probably just makes them more irrelevant.
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Old March 19 2013, 09:56 PM   #213
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"his popeyness"

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Old March 20 2013, 12:52 PM   #214
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Disclaimer: I'm not trying to excuse whatever Bergoglio did during the Junta years.

But I'd like to mention that the Junta and its brutal dictatorship was supported by a lot of really terrible people...

like...

Ronald Reagan and for years also Jimmy Carter and Henry Kissinger.

Just saying. I suppose every poster here is aware of that and despises the aforementioned people for what they did.


Right?
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Old March 20 2013, 12:58 PM   #215
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^ Somehow I doubt the guy with the hammer and sickle avatar is going to object to you bringing them up or calling them terrible.
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Old March 20 2013, 01:02 PM   #216
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^ Somehow I doubt the guy with the hammer and sickle avatar is going to object to you bringing them up or calling them terrible.
Well, didn't the Argentine Junta sell wheat to the Soviet Union during the grain embargo? I think the Soviets actually liked them for that.
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Old March 20 2013, 01:13 PM   #217
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I’m British and I’d like to stress that we certainly never supported this repressive regime (however we may have been next door chatting with Pinochet…)

I see Kirchner has already been bending the Pope’s ear about the Falklands. Quelle surprise...
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Old March 20 2013, 01:52 PM   #218
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I see Kirchner has already been bending the Pope’s ear about the Falklands. Quelle surprise...
For what it's worth I don't think they're the best of friends ever since Kirshner's government introduced gay marriage to the country.
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Old March 20 2013, 03:02 PM   #219
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No this is true, but I doubt she'll miss the chance to be seen with him a lot in future and point out that the Pope's Argentinian
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Old March 21 2013, 05:52 PM   #220
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If anyone's interested, this is an article on Pope Francis and the Dirty War by a prominent church historian.
The two jesuits who were interrogated and tortured believed he gave them up to the Junta.
At the time, they did, yes. But read the statement that was just released by one (the other died some years ago): by the time they publicly reconciled in 2000, he had concluded that Francis had not given them up.
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Old April 5 2013, 10:15 PM   #221
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I have been very critical of Popes and the Catholic Church hierarchy for protecting pedophile priests. Today, I bring good news:
VATICAN CITY, April 5 (Reuters) - Pope Francis wants the Catholic Church to "act decisively" to root out sexual abuse of children by priests and ensure that the perpetrators undergo due process, the Vatican said on Friday.

Officials said that Francis, in a meeting with Holy See doctrinal chief Archbishop Gerhard Muller, had declared that combating sexual abuse was important "for the Church and its credibility".

Francis inherited a Church mired in problems and a major scandal over priestly abuse of children.
I wanted to like this pope, but this issue prevented me from it. I pray Francis follows through to "ensure that the perpetrators undergo due process".

I admit that, so far, Francis has exemplified the teachings of Jesus in his public ministry.
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Old April 5 2013, 11:24 PM   #222
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I admit that, so far, Francis has exemplified the teachings of Jesus in his public ministry.
Yes. I am quite impressed.
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Old April 5 2013, 11:30 PM   #223
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It's a promising start. Only time will tell, but he's already shown more public spine in favor of positively revamping the image of the Roman Catholic Church in just the past three weeks than Benedict did in almost eight years in the Papacy.
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Old April 6 2013, 01:35 AM   #224
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It's a promising start. Only time will tell, but he's already shown more public spine in favor of positively revamping the image of the Roman Catholic Church in just the past three weeks than Benedict did in almost eight years in the Papacy.
I am actually cautiously optimistic. This is the first time in a very long time that news out of the Vatican doesn't automatically fill me with rage.

I hope this man can live up to his promise. It will never be enough to bring me back to this faith (that would take nothing short of complete doctrine overhaul), but it would be nice to respect the church instead of hating it.
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