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Old April 5 2013, 05:41 AM   #6511
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This is the New 52 so yeah it's not going to make much sense due to all the time jumping around in the timeline. It did say at the start of the issue that the start of the issue at least takes place "one year ago".

Again I wouldn't call the issue "awesome awesome" but it's off to a good start, and better than I expected, and Daniel's art was simply gorgeous.
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Old April 5 2013, 04:22 PM   #6512
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Well, Giffen just killed the last of my interest in Stormwatch.
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Old April 5 2013, 05:31 PM   #6513
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Old April 5 2013, 05:49 PM   #6514
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This is the New 52 so yeah it's not going to make much sense due to all the time jumping around in the timeline. It did say at the start of the issue that the start of the issue at least takes place "one year ago".

Again I wouldn't call the issue "awesome awesome" but it's off to a good start, and better than I expected, and Daniel's art was simply gorgeous.
I enjoyed this single issue of Action Comics more than all the ones that preceded it. I know Morrison is a God to some but I am very happy his stint is over.
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Old April 5 2013, 10:54 PM   #6515
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God stopped writing bibles because he couldn't live up to his own hype.

After almost 2 thousand years, they talked him out of retirement, held a gun to his head and said "type fucker, type!" but what did that washed out hack produce on this outing?

The Mormons.

If God wasn't such a wussy he should have eaten the bullet and saved us from the tediousness that is Mormonism, but when has God ever sacrificed himself personally to save all of us?

Morrison is not so humble.

Morrison should take a page from Gods book and quit when he's ahead.
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Old April 5 2013, 11:12 PM   #6516
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Well, Giffen just killed the last of my interest in Stormwatch.
Stormwatch is written by Jim Starlin not Keith Giffen.
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Old April 5 2013, 11:22 PM   #6517
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Well, Giffen just killed the last of my interest in Stormwatch.
Stormwatch is written by Jim Starlin not Keith Giffen.
On the up side, Giffen's name is spelled correctly.
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Old April 5 2013, 11:38 PM   #6518
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Zee's new costume...still no top hat though.

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Well, atleast she doesn't look like Chriss Angel anymore. Now, if DC just just do a mini-reboot and erase the fact that she was a literal magical stripper, not a stage magician in the New 52 (no matter how much Johns taunts Zatanna fans in the Justice League comic) then she may have the potential to be a good character in the New 52. But, I heard she'll be joining the Justice League, and while that could potentially be good (because Johns may continue ignoring her new 52 history, presumably because he can't be bothered to read or talk to the JL Dark writer) its more likely a mistake that will be corrected.

So, you have a slightly better costume, but now she's being written by a guy who cannot write anything that doesn't have Green Lantern in the title anymore, not even characters he created (like stargirl). So, she's pretty much screwed still, but maybe a bit less screwed then she was before. But, then again, Johns is the one destroying my favorite superhero (Captain Marvel), so if he can ruin him, he can screw up Zatanna worse than the JLD writers. I can just hope he treats her like Cyborg and only uses her every 10 issues for some random task Batman has.

On a more positive note,
I just tried out three DC books that recently got new creative teams. I just read the first issue of the rebooted Stormwatch (I only read the first three or so issues before, it wasn't very good) and liked it. After hearing that #19 has the new writer just iterally wiping the last 18 issues out of existence, I decided to give it a chance. It definately has potential, plus it looks like Lobo is getting fixed after what Liefeld did to him, which makes the stormwatch reboot worth it even if it doesn't turn out well. They certainly couldn't screw Lobo up worse than Liefeld did. I also just read the first three issues of Lemire's semi-Green arrow reboot (he didn't delete anything like the SW guy did, he just pretty much destroyed the status quo and changed the direction of the series) and its interesting so far, although the art isn't great. Still, the story is interesting. I also read Action Comics #19. Now that morrison is gone, I wanted to check it out. The cover was a complete lie, and not a very clever one. Still, it was decent, and Lex Luthor seems like he may be written halfway decent, by New 52 standards, anyway. I wasn't planning to read any more DC books besides the ones I've kept reading from the beginning, but these ones seem worth checking out for awhile. They could go either way, but its nice to see a few books that atleast might have potential now besides the few I was still reading.

But, I just heard scott Lobdell is on Action Comics by issue #22. He's easily DC's worst writer, so of course he'll soon be writing both Action Comics and Superman. He already destroyed teen titans and the cast of Red hood, so I guess they decided to reward him with the Superman books. At this point, I'd rather have Liefeld come back and write Superman. Atleast then there might be some horrible art to laugh at. still, I'll read Diggle's issues, just to see what happens.
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Old April 5 2013, 11:58 PM   #6519
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I'm watching a Kathy Griffen special right now.

Sometimes you're glad that you're too related to these women that you could never accidentally marry them.

But unfortunately Keith is only a Giffen and fair game.

Although if they did hook up, what an odd hyphenage.

Giffen-Griffen or Griffen-Giffen?
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Old April 6 2013, 12:41 AM   #6520
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Well, Giffen just killed the last of my interest in Stormwatch.
Stormwatch is written by Jim Starlin not Keith Giffen.
Sorry, that's who I meant. Got the two space guys mixed up. Either way it sucks.
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Old April 6 2013, 01:03 AM   #6521
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Oh undoubtedly. Jim Starlin hasn't written anything original since Infinity Gauntlet.
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Old April 6 2013, 01:27 AM   #6522
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Which was a rehash of when Thanos combined the soul gems into a big soul gem and then Adam Warlock died and Jesused a Victory out of sure defeat.
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Old April 6 2013, 01:29 AM   #6523
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Well, atleast she doesn't look like Chriss Angel anymore
Is Chris Angel fond of bustiers?



Now, if DC just just do a mini-reboot and erase the fact that she was a literal magical stripper, not a stage magician in the New 52
Most of Zatanna's costumes wouldn't be out of place on stage at a strip club. The original would be a big hit.

Refresh my memory on her being a stripper.
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Old April 6 2013, 01:39 AM   #6524
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Well, atleast she doesn't look like Chriss Angel anymore
Is Chris Angel fond of bustiers?



Now, if DC just just do a mini-reboot and erase the fact that she was a literal magical stripper, not a stage magician in the New 52
Most of Zatanna's costumes wouldn't be out of place on stage at a strip club. The original would be a big hit.

Refresh my memory on her being a stripper.
Her original costume was atleast something a stage magician would wear. Her new costume style was totally what you'd think of with a magician like Chriss angel, although they are obviously women's clothes.

As for the stripper, I forget the exact issue but in JLD there is a flashback with Constantine where he is in a club and he sees her arrive on stage. We didn't see a lot, but she was definately a dancer, she was wearing an ok amount of clothes (but not normal clothes, even for her in the New 52), but this was not an upstanding club, so its not like she was a classy dancer or anything. She was definately not doing magic, she was dancing. Unless this seedy club (which I'm 90% sure was magic, since I think she appeared magically and Constantine and her were with their magic mentor there) was just having women dance classily around in full clothes, then she was almost certainly a stripper (and it was implied just by what the location and her appearance looked like). The dialog might have also implied it, but I can't remember what exactly was said.
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Old April 6 2013, 01:45 AM   #6525
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The fact that s_d or tumblr didn't pick up on it probably means it was just your imagination running wild.
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