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Old April 3 2013, 01:13 AM   #31
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^Well he obviously means the phrase has nothing to do with Arya when considered as a choice for the episode title. As evidenced by her absence from the episode.

And I mention this only because the title led me to expect Arya to be involved.

It's like a milder version of the small disappointment you felt when gradually realising a character you liked wasn't going to be a POV character in one of the books.
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Old April 3 2013, 01:13 AM   #32
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Oh, but it does. Those were the words that Jaqen H'ghar taught Arya. The words are on the coin he gave her to get across he Narrow Sea and her pass to get into the House of Black and White. On he contrary, it has everything to do with Arya.
True - But the title of *this episode* has nothing to do with Arya's journey at this point in the book. (start of ASOS). She does not learn this phrase until later, if I remember right. (trying to be vague here)
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Old April 3 2013, 01:52 AM   #33
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Some cool F/X shots from the episode: (click for HQ images)

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Old April 3 2013, 02:09 AM   #34
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Oh, but it does. Those were the words that Jaqen H'ghar taught Arya. The words are on the coin he gave her to get across he Narrow Sea and her pass to get into the House of Black and White. On he contrary, it has everything to do with Arya.
True - But the title of *this episode* has nothing to do with Arya's journey at this point in the book. (start of ASOS). She does not learn this phrase until later, if I remember right. (trying to be vague here)
She was actually given the coin and taught the phrase by Jaqen at the end of last season's finale after he got them out of Harrenhal (the phrase is engraved on the coin of a faceless man). He wanted her to come back to Braavos with him but she refused, saying she had to get back to her family. That's when he changed his face and walked away.
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Old April 3 2013, 02:28 AM   #35
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She learns "Valar Morghulis" at the end of the episode of the same name (and at the end of A Clash of Kings), yes, but "Valar Doeharis," the title of this episode, hasn't been used in the TV show yet and doesn't come into play until a later point in the book.
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Old April 3 2013, 02:49 AM   #36
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What do those phrases mean?
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Old April 3 2013, 02:55 AM   #37
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What do those phrases mean?
Valar Morghulis means "all men must die" and Valar Dohaeris means "all men must serve."
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Old April 3 2013, 01:12 PM   #38
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Tanks.
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Old April 3 2013, 09:00 PM   #39
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Oh, but it does. Those were the words that Jaqen H'ghar taught Arya. The words are on the coin he gave her to get across he Narrow Sea and her pass to get into the House of Black and White. On he contrary, it has everything to do with Arya.
In the story, yes. But we're talking about the title of an episode. It's just a little easteregg for bookreaders, because at this point in the show, they are the only ones who know that "Valar Dohaeris" is the traditional reply to "Valar Morghulis".
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Old April 4 2013, 01:29 PM   #40
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Wasn't Valar Morghulis a 70s porn actress?


No?


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Yes, she appeared in several films with Tormund Giantbone.

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Old April 4 2013, 04:13 PM   #42
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Starring in "Cersei Does King's Landing".
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Old April 4 2013, 05:55 PM   #43
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"Cersei Does King's Landing"
Cersei's story in a nutshell.
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Old April 5 2013, 11:11 AM   #44
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I only got watching this last night, due to being away for Easter. I voted Above Average, as it was a solid, rather than spectacular return. And, having read the book, I know that there will be plenty of opportunities for an Excellent rating during this run.

Still lots of great stuff here all the same. The giant and the rest of Jon's arrival at the Wildling camp. Tywin and Tyrion. Bronn squaring up to the Kingsguard, not to mention his reaction to Pod's coitus interruptus (while Bronn is a great supporting character in the books, I think Jerome Flynn has actually made him even better onscreen). Maergary and Cersei's little jabs at each other.

And of course, the dragons, the Unsullied and Ser Barristan. I'm in agreement with those who say that the whole Whitebeard storyline wouldn't have worked onscreen as it did on the page, though it was interesting that some of the slave trader's lines, which were aimed at Whitebeard on the page ('tell the old man he smells of piss') were simply redirected at Ser Jorah instead.

I must say, it was great to see Ciaran Hinds, Liam Cunningham, Aiden Gillen and Ian McElhenney onscreen (and there are still the likes of Conleth Hill to be seen). A whos-who of Irish talent - even if Aiden Gillen's portrayal of Littlefinger doesn't quite hit the mark for me (much as I've liked him in other roles).
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Old April 5 2013, 12:50 PM   #45
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Weren't we supposed to get a few extra minutes per episode, which ultimately would have added up to a whole extra episode? I can't say I noticed those precious few minutes.
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