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Old April 4 2013, 07:37 PM   #16
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Re: final episode...

Ungrateful fans

Berman and Braga pushed Manny Coto out of the way, on the Finale so, they could "give the fans a Valentine", and this is the thanks they get?



*Apparently their definition of "Valentine" differs from mine and is much closer to my definition of "Screwed over"
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Old April 4 2013, 08:07 PM   #17
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I don't think anyone bought that the whole episode was supposed to have taken place during "The Pegasus"; the episode could have easily taken place on the Titan - make it Galaxy-class if you want to - and say Riker was having trouble adjusting to command after 15 + years as a first officer.
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Old April 4 2013, 08:41 PM   #18
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If someone gave me a crap filled chocolate for Valentines Day, I wouldn't be thankful.
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Old April 4 2013, 08:58 PM   #19
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If it had been a Valentine to the fans, the story would have been about the actual crew instead of holograms of them where the only "real" people were Riker and Troi. It was a self-glorifying Valentine to the Berman years. Sort of like getting a "love letter" from Blue Velvet's Frank Booth.

Frank Booth wrote:
. . .I'll send you a love letter, straight from my heart, fr! You know what a love letter is? It's a bullet from a fg gun, fr! You receive a love letter from me, you're fd forever! You understand, fk? I'll send you straight to hell, fr!
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Old April 5 2013, 09:43 AM   #20
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Re: final episode...

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My mum went to school with troy
You might want to sit your mum down and quietly tell her that Deanna Troi is what is known as a "fictional character" and that she didn't actual go to school with her.

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Old April 5 2013, 10:00 AM   #21
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I didn't have a problem with Riker and Troi being in the episode, but it was poorly executed.

What I would have done:

-Have the episode proceed as normal, no Riker or Troi in it.

-At the very end, after Archer gives his speech, we zoom out and Riker is watching it on his laptop thingy, he has not been watching the whole episode obviously, just the speech.

-Troi comes in, says are you ready.

Riker and Troi leave Enterprise E and go to Titan, Riker says something like "There will always be something magical about the name, Enterprise" or something less cheesy

The end.

I know it probably doesn't make that much sense, but it would have been less of a slap in the face than what we got. And left it open for a possible titan series down the line.
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Old April 5 2013, 11:17 AM   #22
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The thing is, no matter how good or bad their incorporation is... in this case it was poorly, putting them in the finale -at all- detracts from what it's supposed to be. A celebration of Enterprise's four years and a conclusion to the series. The three captain final frontier speech at the end was beautifully done and would've tied all the Enterprise series together nicely by itself.
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Old April 5 2013, 05:07 PM   #23
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No, no, you see -- Picard, who never really left the Nexus, is the camera POV in this episode. He imagined Riker and Troi as they observe the Enterprise crew. He was slightly off about how they looked since he's been in the Nexus for so long. Oh, and Picard killed of Trip in his mind because he didn't like his accent. So none of the final episode really happened.
Damn that is a lot more logical
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Old April 5 2013, 11:27 PM   #24
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No, no, you see -- Picard, who never really left the Nexus, is the camera POV in this episode. He imagined Riker and Troi as they observe the Enterprise crew. He was slightly off about how they looked since he's been in the Nexus for so long.
I'm sensing some wish fulfillment here as he's made Riker to look old and fat, probably laughing his ass off in the Nexus now.
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Old April 6 2013, 04:45 PM   #25
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Well I really only have one problem with the episode: Trip's death. Yes, it could have been better if it would have been Riker on Enterprise-E before departure and not The Pegasus episode, but besides that it is nice to see that future generations talk about Archer and Co. I really think it would have worked better as a random episode not as finale, and my problem: why did they kill Trip? But still it was a nice episode, and while I won't give a 5 out of 5 stars to it, I will never put at the same page as the episodes I hate from the Star Trek series like "And the children shall lead", "Spock's brain" or "Masks".
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Old April 6 2013, 05:30 PM   #26
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but I only saw it once, so I might change my mind
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Old April 6 2013, 05:47 PM   #27
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I still think B & B killed Trip off in an act of petty rage against the fans for not sticking with the show.

"Killed our brilliant show? Well, we'll get you all! We'll kill off your most popular character! There! FU! Try bringing it back after we're gone! NO TRIP! MUHAHAHAAAA!"

I believe that is how it went down.
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Old April 6 2013, 06:13 PM   #28
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Yes, it could have been better if it would have been Riker on Enterprise-E before departure and not The Pegasus episode
I thought it would have added to the storyline, if Riker (or Deanna) were to have mentioned that Riker had used this particular holodeck program many times through the years to help himself figure out ethical personal problems.

Rant time.

It would be easy to see Picard one day retire from Starfleet, go into politics and eventually become President. But ARCHER? Why, because he has a calm speaking voice?

Thank you.

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Old April 6 2013, 11:08 PM   #29
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I still think B & B killed Trip off in an act of petty rage against the fans for not sticking with the show.

"Killed our brilliant show? Well, we'll get you all! We'll kill off your most popular character! There! FU! Try bringing it back after we're gone! NO TRIP! MUHAHAHAAAA!"

I believe that is how it went down.
Those bastards.

But I still think the way Phlox looks at Archer as Trip is going into the fix-it tube is very telling and seems to point to a massive plot underway. As in, The Good That Men Do.
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Old April 11 2013, 07:14 AM   #30
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Rant time.

It would be easy to see Picard one day retire from Starfleet, go into politics and eventually become President. But ARCHER? Why, because he has a calm speaking voice?

Thank you.

Jon can sing, though! Isn't that enough?

Too bad we never got to hear him sing on the show, in that 6th-season "Movie Night Musical" episode.
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