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Old March 30 2013, 12:07 AM   #31
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Re: What about regular showers?

Not [i]Trek[/b], but in Babylon 5 we get this conversation:

Ivanova: "And this will be your quarters. I hope it's satisfactory."

Sheridan: "It's fine, fine. Certainly a lot bigger than what I'm used to. Does this place come with a shower? I mean, a real live honest-to-god shower with running water and everything?"

Ivanova: "Executive suites and command quarters all have showers with live honest-to-god water. The rest get vibe showers. Our water reclamation system can't handle much more than that."
From the dialogue, it seems in the B5 universe, vibe showers don't use water. Though "vibe" does imply vibrations, so maybe they function similar to sonic showers, but somehow use a more pleasing vibration to get the dirt off, but not harm the skin. Of course, in the B5 universe, they don't have replicators, so water reclamation becomes a bigger issue.
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Old March 30 2013, 09:44 PM   #32
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I also think a sonic toilet would be even more implausible than a shower. Maybe a sonic bidet. Doesn't sound appealing.
When I was a kid we joked that the reason there were no bathrooms on the Enterprise was that they just beamed out the waste.
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Old March 31 2013, 01:02 AM   #33
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I guess I'll have to agree.
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Old March 31 2013, 10:47 AM   #34
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I also think a sonic toilet would be even more implausible than a shower. Maybe a sonic bidet. Doesn't sound appealing.
When I was a kid we joked that the reason there were no bathrooms on the Enterprise was that they just beamed out the waste.
Haha! That one crossed my mind too! Though what did they do for the year of hell...?
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Old April 1 2013, 04:09 PM   #35
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I also think a sonic toilet would be even more implausible than a shower. Maybe a sonic bidet. Doesn't sound appealing.
When I was a kid we joked that the reason there were no bathrooms on the Enterprise was that they just beamed out the waste.
Haha! That one crossed my mind too! Though what did they do for the year of hell...?
That why it was "a year of hell"!

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Old April 3 2013, 05:52 PM   #36
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It shouldn't be that difficult.

All they need to do is replicate and/or recycle water. And obviously water is not a compound that is complex in form. I'm sure Starfleet vessels must store hydrogen and oxygen in quantities, so mix some from each tank and there you go, more than enough for everybody to drink or wash in.
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Old April 3 2013, 06:49 PM   #37
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I'd rather think hydrogen and oxygen are not stored in any quantity - water is. It's so much easier to store, even in space, and can rather trivially be broken to its components as needed. It doesn't even need to be particularly clean to be broken into fusion fuel and breathing air. It could serve in dozens of roles while "waiting" to be broken down: coolant, solvent, beverage, general environmental adjuster, swimming pool filler..

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Old April 4 2013, 01:29 PM   #38
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It could serve in dozens of roles while "waiting" to be broken down: coolant, solvent, beverage, general environmental adjuster, swimming pool filler...
Now that you mentioned it, does it make sense for the TOS Enterprise to have a swimming pool or not?

A couple of days ago I visited a Soviet Juliett-class sub from the early 1960's. They had a least one shower for the whole crew.

A couple of years ago I saw interior footage of the Soviet Typhoon-class. Quite in contrast to what we saw in "The Hunt for Red October" it had at least a miniature swimming pool, though I thought it rather qualified as an oversized bathtub. (scroll to bottom of the picture collection)

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Old April 5 2013, 11:41 AM   #39
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Soviet hardware is notoriously robust in certain surprising respects. We got a pair of Riga class escorts in the seventies, to balance out the acquisition of western fighting ships, and it turned out that those at the time modern steam turbine ships were ideal for installing a steam sauna aboard. (Plus they each came equipped with a piano, demonstrating the cultural sophistication of Homo sovieticus...)

FWIW, when I first saw blueprints of Kirk's vessel as a kid, I thought "regulation pool" had something to do with regulating the ship's functions, say, managing the thermal loads - and the crew just took the opportunity to enjoy the lukewarm water...

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Old April 5 2013, 12:13 PM   #40
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I thought at first there might be some similarity to an "endless pool". Now that I see the picture, I agree - but even a large bathtub is better than none!
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Old April 5 2013, 03:20 PM   #41
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I thought at first there might be some similarity to an "endless pool". Now that I see the picture, I agree - but even a large bathtub is better than none!
As a matter of fact I just tried such an endless pool at the hotel where I spent the Easter holidays. The jet turbine at one end creates a current against which you swim as long as you can. Now, I have no doubt that we have something like this on the TOS Enterprise, ideally located between the sports section of the ship and sickbay.

In a certain manner of speaking it's not too dissimilar from the way the TNG holodecks work. Which reminds me that the "Acapulco diving" holodeck program (mentioned in "Conundrum") would require a rather tall holodeck.

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Old April 5 2013, 03:46 PM   #42
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A couple of years ago I saw interior footage of the Soviet Typhoon-class. Quite in contrast to what we saw in "The Hunt for Red October" it had at least a miniature swimming pool, though I thought it rather qualified as an oversized bathtub. (scroll to bottom of the picture collection)

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Old April 6 2013, 02:06 AM   #43
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Yes, thank you for that link to the russian sub. The control board panels in the engine room remind me alot of the TOS engine room
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Old April 6 2013, 03:30 AM   #44
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It's interesting that the interiors of Russian submarines resemble the interiors of their spacecraft. It suggests to me that their spacecraft designers are borrowing influences as much or more from naval architecture as from aeronautics. American spacecraft, by contrast, tend to resemble aircraft more than submarines.

I would guess this has to do with how the two space programs evolved. The American space program was heavily influenced by feedback from test pilots and Air Force aviators who helped design the Apollo capsules as well as the space shuttle. The Soyuz, OTOH, was designed and built like a flying submersible, and the Salyut space modules weren't a whole lot different. Compare one of the corridors on that Typhoon to the inside of the the Zvezda module on the ISS and you'll see what I mean.
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Old April 6 2013, 03:56 PM   #45
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Who looks at a shower and thinks "Oh, this could be a little more sonic"?
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