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Old April 3 2013, 11:40 PM   #181
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Re: When did voyager go wrong?

What is the etymology of "catsuit" anyway? Anything I could find on the subject was pretty non specific. Does it just come from the fad of applying feline traits to feminine sexuality?
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Old April 3 2013, 11:49 PM   #182
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Re: When did voyager go wrong?

Maybe Cat Woman wore it first?
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Old April 3 2013, 11:53 PM   #183
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^ No, Emma Peel predates Cat Woman.

I think it's just because the outfit is sleek, like a cat.
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Old April 3 2013, 11:54 PM   #184
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But didn't Cat Woman wear it in the comics?
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Old April 4 2013, 12:00 AM   #185
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Probably. But catsuits have been worn by dancers (both male & female) since jersey existed.
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Old April 4 2013, 12:21 AM   #186
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^ No, Emma Peel predates Cat Woman.

I think it's just because the outfit is sleek, like a cat.
Cathy Gale was wearing them before Mrs. Peel. The Avengers is probably what started the trend. Those fashionable Brits and all.
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Old April 4 2013, 12:36 AM   #187
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So what did the bunheads wear before Lycra and/or spandex was invented?
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Old April 4 2013, 01:15 AM   #188
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So what did the bunheads where before Lycra and/or spandex was invented?
They just showed a lot of leg, like this weird short from 1944.




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Old April 5 2013, 04:58 AM   #189
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Voyager went wrong when they let DS9 take all the best TNG writers.
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Old April 5 2013, 05:31 AM   #190
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Voyager went wrong when they let DS9 take all the best TNG writers.
It might not have been a bad idea in hindsight for Voyager to have waited a few years later into DS9's run.

The conditions may have been more suitable for more featured television slot, to say nothing of DS9 and Voyager not competing against each other essentially for most of their respective runs.
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Old April 5 2013, 05:53 AM   #191
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Foolish.

Berman needed two shows running so that they couldn't push him out.

He was so blind to his waning power that Rick assumed consolidating everything into Enterprise meant that he was sure to make a better show that would translate into Job security from bosses who wanted to destroy him... What consolidation really meant was that he almost had no shows on the air and that his superiors could soon fire him.

It's like when you're playing one of those old games where you don't respawn 50 thousand times, how it doesn't mean that you are necessarily going to play better just because you've wasted and shredded all your other lives. Nothing is going to change that you are an idiot who is going to hang himself in the same way who needs... Did Berman really think that Voyager was only less beloved than DS9 because DS9 was made by superior craftspeople, and that if Enterprise wasan only child it would suddenly be the only fish in a small pond? yes, I said it. Dude was jealous. DS9 numbers plus Voyager numbers = Enterprise Numbers. I mean what are the stupid DS9 people going to do? Wag off and watch Battlestar Galcitica?

If when Enterprise failed, there was already a second show still running in parallel beside Enterprise, it would have cushioned Berman and saved his job and they wouldn't have been able to stop Rick from starting to tool for a new series to replace Enterprise for sheer terror of how he might tank the 10s of millions of dollars of their money he was already juggling, if they piss him off while he's still in control of a Star Trek program and midwifing a second.

(I say this as if Berman had any power to make these choices when he was most probably only a fraction less fates bitch like everybodyelse.)
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Old April 5 2013, 03:22 PM   #192
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Someone needs to post a picture of Tuvok choking hologram Neelix to death.
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Ah, Tuvok. In my opinion he was Voyager's saving grace a reason to tune in even after the show seemed to go off the rails.
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Old April 5 2013, 06:39 PM   #193
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Well Tuvok struck me as the competent non-flashy person the show needed. The Doctor was the one who gave even the bad episodes snippets of entertainment for me.
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Old April 5 2013, 10:10 PM   #194
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Well Tuvok struck me as the competent non-flashy person the show needed. The Doctor was the one who gave even the bad episodes snippets of entertainment for me.
Picardo is a great actor but unfortunately I never bought into the EMH even a little bit.

It's a shame they were shooting for so many "gimmick" characters on the show, Zimmerman would've been fine playing a human CMO.
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Old April 5 2013, 10:23 PM   #195
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They were never going to wait to launch Star Trek: Voyager; a Trek show had to be ready to be the UPN flagship in 1995.
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