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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old April 3 2013, 01:22 AM   #46
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Re: My Review of Insurrection

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Quite.
I think more so when Picard exits the Nexus. When he appeared back in reality.

He could have "arrived" on the planet prior to Soren aboard the bird of prey, disabled/destroyed the missile at his leisure. This also would have (unbeknownst to Picard) saved Kirk's life.

Arrived aboard the Enterprise as Soren beamed over from the observatory, had a security team escort Soren to sickbay, then the brig.

Arrived back prior to the time of the fire that killed his brother and nephew, communicated to preventing their deaths and prevented the Romulan attack upon the observatory saving the life's there and prevented the destruction of that star (and the observatory) and captured Soren too.


having Picard walk into Ten-Forward and arrest Soran would have made a boring end to the movie. It's "rule of drama" people. Why didn't the Borg in FC travel back in time while in the Delta Quadrant and THEN try to assimilate Earth when there'd be no advanced opposition?


And yet somehow, fans forgive FC for that, yet they endlessly harp on GEN for doing the same thing.
I have no problem with letting it slide for both movies. My problem with GEN is that the whole nexus thing was horribly contrived to get Picard to meet Kirk and get his help to fight Soran. (all of this because they didn't want to do a time travel plot, which they ended doing in the very next movie )

It wasn't even epic. It was 3 old guys fighting. The whole scene reminded me of The Simpsons when Nelson is picking on Bart because Homer won't give Mr. Burns his teddy bear back, so Mr. Burns stops all the beer imports into the city:

Nelson: My old man can't get a beer because his old man won't give a bear to another old man! Let's get him!
Jimbo: Wait, why are we getting him?
Martin: Look, fellows. The first snapdragon of the season.
Nelson: Nevermind. Let's get him!
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Old April 3 2013, 05:01 AM   #47
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I think more so when Picard exits the Nexus. When he appeared back in reality.

He could have "arrived" on the planet prior to Soren aboard the bird of prey, disabled/destroyed the missile at his leisure. This also would have (unbeknownst to Picard) saved Kirk's life.

Arrived aboard the Enterprise as Soren beamed over from the observatory, had a security team escort Soren to sickbay, then the brig.

Arrived back prior to the time of the fire that killed his brother and nephew, communicated to preventing their deaths and prevented the Romulan attack upon the observatory saving the life's there and prevented the destruction of that star (and the observatory) and captured Soren too.


having Picard walk into Ten-Forward and arrest Soran would have made a boring end to the movie. It's "rule of drama" people. Why didn't the Borg in FC travel back in time while in the Delta Quadrant and THEN try to assimilate Earth when there'd be no advanced opposition?


And yet somehow, fans forgive FC for that, yet they endlessly harp on GEN for doing the same thing.
I have no problem with letting it slide for both movies. My problem with GEN is that the whole nexus thing was horribly contrived to get Picard to meet Kirk and get his help to fight Soran. (all of this because they didn't want to do a time travel plot, which they ended doing in the very next movie )

It wasn't even epic. It was 3 old guys fighting. The whole scene reminded me of The Simpsons when Nelson is picking on Bart because Homer won't give Mr. Burns his teddy bear back, so Mr. Burns stops all the beer imports into the city:

Nelson: My old man can't get a beer because his old man won't give a bear to another old man! Let's get him!
Jimbo: Wait, why are we getting him?
Martin: Look, fellows. The first snapdragon of the season.
Nelson: Nevermind. Let's get him!

it was contrived yes, but once you rule out time travel, it's either plot contrivance or a really old Kirk meets up with Picard in the TNG era as your options.
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Old April 3 2013, 01:59 PM   #48
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it was contrived yes, but once you rule out time travel, it's either plot contrivance or a really old Kirk meets up with Picard in the TNG era as your options.

A much simpler contrivance would be for Kirk to be frozen somehow and revived. I think the Nexus was an idea to hard for them to make into a good idea. A random energy ribbon that causes disruption is a good idea. How about the Enterprise D discovers the ribbon about to threaten a colony in it's path, Veridan 3 if you like, and when Data's plan to dissapate the ribbon works they discover a body that was preserved and brought aboard, it's Captain America er no it's Captain Kirk! He's revived with Dr. Crusher's 24th century medical ability and the strange properties of the ribbon. After a short while, Data detects that the disruption of the ribbon is causing a different type of phenomena which is causing a possible disruption of the fabric of space which will cause a much worse, destructive decomposition of the space in the sector itself. Because Capt. Kirk is saturated in the energy of the ribbon, a way to prevent the formation of the new event is for him to enter it, but it will kill him. The crew of the D struggle valiantly to resolve this by any other means at their disposal, but Kirk resolves to solve this himself when efforts fail, he knocks out everyone but Data who assists him into a shuttle which he then flies into the forming disruption, thus ending the event and saving all the planets in that quadrant. The D holds a ceremony honoring his sacrifice and we go on our way.
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Old April 4 2013, 03:47 AM   #49
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it was contrived yes, but once you rule out time travel, it's either plot contrivance or a really old Kirk meets up with Picard in the TNG era as your options.

A much simpler contrivance would be for Kirk to be frozen somehow and revived. I think the Nexus was an idea to hard for them to make into a good idea. A random energy ribbon that causes disruption is a good idea. How about the Enterprise D discovers the ribbon about to threaten a colony in it's path, Veridan 3 if you like, and when Data's plan to dissapate the ribbon works they discover a body that was preserved and brought aboard, it's Captain America er no it's Captain Kirk! He's revived with Dr. Crusher's 24th century medical ability and the strange properties of the ribbon. After a short while, Data detects that the disruption of the ribbon is causing a different type of phenomena which is causing a possible disruption of the fabric of space which will cause a much worse, destructive decomposition of the space in the sector itself. Because Capt. Kirk is saturated in the energy of the ribbon, a way to prevent the formation of the new event is for him to enter it, but it will kill him. The crew of the D struggle valiantly to resolve this by any other means at their disposal, but Kirk resolves to solve this himself when efforts fail, he knocks out everyone but Data who assists him into a shuttle which he then flies into the forming disruption, thus ending the event and saving all the planets in that quadrant. The D holds a ceremony honoring his sacrifice and we go on our way.
I could have lived with that.

I would have prefered to have the 2 Enterprises meet, complete with crews and everything. They could have worked together to solve some type of issue spanning their respective centuries. It wouldn't be so hard to come up with something if they sat down and thought about it for a bit.
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