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Old March 29 2013, 12:45 AM   #76
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I think the incredible boost of energy JJ gave Trek-- along with the way he breathed new life into the original characters-- more than makes up for any story problems the films might have.

Obviously for any new TV series I'd want something a bit deeper and more complex, but for the movies I'm perfectly happy with them being just fun action adventure flicks.
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Old March 29 2013, 02:44 AM   #77
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Which cool futurist ideas were those?
The idea that humanity would co-exist with each other without borders and exploring the stars would be a combined human endeavour and not limited to soley one nation/country, gender, or economic class of people. It was a bit more of a radical idea in the 1960s. Roddenberry believed that the pursuit of science and technology is not a bad thing but something that can educate and open doors to mankind. It was not a dystopia sci-fi universe he presented. One of the core tennants of Trek was that of opitimism. Granted it got heavy handed and messages were often delivered hamfisted, but it was a TV show and they had to entertain people too. Which is why there are adventure and comedy stories sprinkled in there as well as a lot of opitmism, political messages and/or soul searching.

Now we may not get transporters or warp drive anytime soon, but tricorders, communicators, teleconferencing, a paperless society, touchscreens, and PADDs were all ideas pushed further into the mainstream concisnous by Star Trek moreso then any other franchise. Even if not all those concepts had their origin from Trek. And while the credit certainly does not go all to Roddenberry, the man as a futurist set the franchise bible out there for other writers to pick up and run with. Without GR around, modern Trek doesn't seek out the futurist angle as much, it basically has settled with what was established from TNG and hasn't expanded that much beyond it as the last two Treks have been prequels.
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Old March 29 2013, 02:49 AM   #78
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I think what I miss from Gene Roddenberry was the "futurist" aspect he contributed to Star Trek. Gene didn't appear to be a very good writer and came up with some kooky stories, but he did have some really cool futurist ideas that made into it Trek. Some ideas were too futurist for 20th century/early 21st century audiences, but plenty others made it into TOS and TNG and I'm all the grateful for it. I also liked how he tried to distance away from the TOS style and TOS aliens when doing TNG, again Gene wasn't a total loon, I think he was a pretty good TV pitchman and futurist, just not a very good writer/storyteller. But as others have repeatedly said, there really is no such thing as "Gene's vision" for Trek, other then something to energize the fanbase in the 1970s and early 80s.
Somewhat unfair, he had a few ideas in the 60s, which doesn't mean he didn't have human foibles...but I don't think it's fair to say a man can't grow and learn philosophically all the while having issues (drinking and drugs were worse than being unfaithful because I think they damaged his thought process and brought about his early demise), he admits as much in 80s interviews. He learned and adapted between TOS, STTMP and STNG so they naturally were going to be different.

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I'm lost on what you mean here or why you responded to my post that way, I never mentioned Roddenberry's unfaithfulness, drinking or drugs nor did I say he can't grow and learn philosophically. Others here have made repeated comments/jokes on the guy being a man-whore, (which I don't doubt he lived that lifestyle) but I've never brought it up.
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Old April 2 2013, 10:44 PM   #79
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Also don't understand the view that Abrams 'has no interest' in science fiction. He's involved, however tangentially, in making so much of the stuff - Lost, Cloverfield, Super-8, Star Trek 2009, Star Wars - he seems to have at least a passing interest, no?
The only one of those I'd consider to be true science-fiction would be the time travel episodes of Lost and he had zero influence on them. They were conceived of/written by Damon Lindelof and Calrton Cuse.

He is from the Spielberg/Lucas school of thought regarding the genre which is PERFECT for Star Wars Episode VII but entirely wrong for Star Trek. My two pence.
Okay smarty-pants, just who the frack do you think is better than Abrams at running the Star Trek franchise?

Please let us know.
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Old April 2 2013, 10:53 PM   #80
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Also don't understand the view that Abrams 'has no interest' in science fiction. He's involved, however tangentially, in making so much of the stuff - Lost, Cloverfield, Super-8, Star Trek 2009, Star Wars - he seems to have at least a passing interest, no?
The only one of those I'd consider to be true science-fiction would be the time travel episodes of Lost and he had zero influence on them. They were conceived of/written by Damon Lindelof and Calrton Cuse.

He is from the Spielberg/Lucas school of thought regarding the genre which is PERFECT for Star Wars Episode VII but entirely wrong for Star Trek. My two pence.
Okay smarty-pants, just who the frack do you think is better than Abrams at running the Star Trek franchise?

Please let us know.
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Old April 2 2013, 11:04 PM   #81
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Back to topic, we have people mourning the changing of Star Trek, who are probably the same people who would slam the Abrams movies for revisiting the TOS characters and not going into the 25th or 3025th Century and changing into something more "modern".
Yet, these same people who hate the 2009 movie and the upcoming sequel are the same ones who most likely hated TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise when they were all on, and were always bitching about their flaws and how the characters in each show weren't as good as that of TOS. Now that TOS is back in movie form, they'll be complaining about that, too.
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Old April 2 2013, 11:08 PM   #82
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Back to topic, we have people mourning the changing of Star Trek, who are probably the same people who would slam the Abrams movies for revisiting the TOS characters and not going into the 25th or 3025th Century and changing into something more "modern".
Yet, these same people who hate the 2009 movie and the upcoming sequel are the same ones who most likely hated TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise when they were all on, and were always bitching about their flaws and how the characters in each show weren't as good as that of TOS. Now that TOS is back in movie form, they'll be complaining about that, too.
Stop generalizing. I like TNG, DS9. VOY is okay. Enterprise sucks. I'm waiting for post-TNG stories ever since 2002.
I would also like to see stories set between TOS and TNG.

But no, it's gotta be prequels that fuck everything up.
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Old April 3 2013, 12:23 AM   #83
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With something like 526 hours between TNG, DS9 & VOY and 4 cinema outings from the 24th Century, I'll admit to still wanting a much better farewell to that era, than Nemesis. But ultimately it would still be farewell. A nostalgic round-up of characters, two months before retirement, to remind me of the good times we had during the 1990s.

Then ride off into the sunset, Undiscovered Country-style... having saved the day one more time.

I'd want the exact same thing from "Enterprise sucks" too in an ideal world. Although that prequel has far more to prove, while those previous series went above and beyond their potential.

I look at Star Trek Online's 25th Century, and I don't see any future series ideas I'd want to invest any time in.

I'll update my views about the Abramsverse, after having seen Into Darkness but it's not as if my opinion would carry any weight. It's a young fan's game right now, and I don't think they see their Kirk, Spock, McCoy et all as a prequel to anything. It's all brand new to them with its own future.
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Old April 3 2013, 12:27 AM   #84
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With something like 526 hours between TNG, DS9 & VOY and 4 cinema outings from the 24th Century, I'll admit to still wanting a much better farewell to that era, than Nemesis. But ultimately it would still be farewell. A nostalgic round-up of characters, two months before retirement, to remind me of the good times we had during the 1990s.
I don't even want that. I want new and fresh characters in the post-TNG era. Admiral or Ambassador Picard may show up if he wants to. But that's it.
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Old April 3 2013, 12:57 AM   #85
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With something like 526 hours between TNG, DS9 & VOY and 4 cinema outings from the 24th Century, I'll admit to still wanting a much better farewell to that era, than Nemesis. But ultimately it would still be farewell. A nostalgic round-up of characters, two months before retirement, to remind me of the good times we had during the 1990s.
I don't even want that. I want new and fresh characters in the post-TNG era. Admiral or Ambassador Picard may show up if he wants to. But that's it.
This ^

The reason TNG work as well as it did was it set the clock forward and did a sort of a clean slate to the franchise. If we're going to return to the prime timeline we need to skip ahead again.
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Old April 3 2013, 01:15 AM   #86
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We're not going to return to the prime timeline.
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Old April 3 2013, 01:38 AM   #87
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Of course not. It's done - like proposing a Superman movie based on the George Reeves series.
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Old April 3 2013, 03:07 AM   #88
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a Superman movie based on the George Reeves series.
I'm game for that. It can't be any worse than Superman Returns, can it?
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Old April 3 2013, 04:03 AM   #89
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Sorry, I liked Superman Returns a great deal. It's a good movie, and certainly better than at least half of those starring Christopher Reeve.
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Old April 3 2013, 04:25 AM   #90
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Being superior to the last two Christopher Reeve Superman movies isn't exactly a tall order. Outside of the sequence in which Superman battles himself in Superman III, I don't think there's a single memorable moment in either of the final two sequels.

But, I'm one of the few people who (mostly) enjoyed Singer's take on the character. I still prefer Batman, though.
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