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Old April 2 2013, 10:03 AM   #31
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Re: Does TOS Still Look Futuristic to You?

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And, while the TOS Engineering set may not look "real," at least it doesn't look like a beer factory.
I think they look very similar.
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Old April 2 2013, 02:19 PM   #32
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Compared to what I see on the screen now, no, TOS does not compare. That doesn't really matter though. I still watch it over and over, to some degree I am sure, with the boy's eyes that watched it in the 60s. That ship and that crew have taken me to 'my happy place' more times than I can imagine - flaws and all.
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Old April 2 2013, 02:19 PM   #33
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IMHO, the original Enterprise bridge is still one of the most practical, functional and believable sets ever created for a sci-fi film or TV production.
Much as I love the bridge as a visual experience, it has some problems.

- To get from the captain's chair to the elevator, Kirk had to take two steps down, turn 180 degrees, and then take two steps right back up again, and squeeze between the chair and the red railing. (The gap varies between episodes as the captain's chair was moved forward or back to accomodate a scene.) Or he could go the long way to the port-side bridge steps and double back for the whole distance to the elevator.

- The red railing makes some sense if you are down in the well, but for people up in the outer ring, the railing is at just the right height to bust both your kneecaps as you fall over it and face-plant in the well during a battle.

- Spock's hooded viewer would be a nightmare to have to bend over and use for any length of time. Back ache! Needless to say, it was a concession to the budgetary problem of creating data displays with the actual info (as was done in "The Cage" with now-dated effect-- Lyndon Johnson, anyone?).

- The buttons on each outer-ring station, e.g., Uhura's panels, are arranged in an arc that is exactly the opposite of what an ergonomic keyboard does to reduce stress on the wrists.

- It famously lacked an emergency exit, but Franz Joseph showed how easy it would be to have a wall panel that opens so I don't consider that a big design issue.

Still, for all that, it's awesome and I love it.
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Old April 2 2013, 03:21 PM   #34
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Everything dates, that doesn't mean it's bad. Our vision of the future changes every year as technology updates and makes things we projected outmoded. Is the TOS Enterprise bridge dated? Yes, in the details. Looking at a flashing light and getting tons of info from it is very much of the 60's. In the design itself, the broad strokes, it still holds up because it mostly makes sense.

Like fins on a Cadillac, it was cool but is now a reflection of the way we used to think. It doesn't look bad to me, and still looks better than the Apple Store / Gil Gerard style currently being used (and I'm not a nuTrek basher really). The design concept is solid enough to have survived the decades with only tech updates.
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Old April 2 2013, 03:39 PM   #35
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- The buttons on each outer-ring station, e.g., Uhura's panels, are arranged in an arc that is exactly the opposite of what an ergonomic keyboard does to reduce stress on the wrists.

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Still, for all that, it's awesome and I love it.
We reach on that. Love is irrational. You have good points. Uhura's buttons were arranged for arm-reaching, not for close-handed typing, so I think they make fine sense.

As a Jung devotee, let me point out the bridge is circular and with a fourness to it, the squared-circle mandala archetype of wholeness. At the center of it sits the undivided (in-dividuated) man, the union of head (animus/Spock) and heart (anima/McCoy). So I'm diggin' me that bridge forever.
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Old April 2 2013, 06:13 PM   #36
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Compared to what I see on the screen now, no, TOS does not compare. That doesn't really matter though. I still watch it over and over, to some degree I am sure, with the boy's eyes that watched it in the 60s. That ship and that crew have taken me to 'my happy place' more times than I can imagine - flaws and all.
Same here. And at the end of the day, what more could you possibly need?
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Old April 2 2013, 08:16 PM   #37
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TOS looks so '60s to me, I wonder if it even looked that futuristic then? So much of the style, furniture, was "modern." Didn't it look pretty contemporary? I was a baby, so my memory's a little fuzzy on that.

But I like it to the JJTrek bridge/corridors looks like an apple store. That sure isn't how things are gonna look 200-300 years form now, I assume. It's "now" cranked up a couple notches.
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Old April 2 2013, 09:30 PM   #38
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No. The interirors of the 1701 are timeless; have you noticed how the DS9 and Enterprise episodes featuring TOS sets look slick with modern cameras & lighting?
They do to Trek fans, yeah. That doesn't mean that they actually don't look dated.
Trek fans would be the biggest critics about that; they have a franchise that was able to enjoy advancement in art direction / technology over the decades, so they would know what still works and what does not.
No, because they respond to it with a built-in bias. Star Trek fans are inclined to like Star Trek (duh) and quite often rate it more highly in just about every respect than TV viewers and movie audiences in general do.

How about you--what did you think of the Defiant interiors as seen in the ENT two-parter?
I liked seeing the TOS sets again, the same as I do in fan films. Did it look as real or plausible as the sets of, say, the NX-01? No, in no way whatsoever.

It's worth noting that the Enterprise crew chose to light those sets very differently than the DS9 folks had to in order to match the source footage from "The Trouble With Tribbles."
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Old April 2 2013, 09:48 PM   #39
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I love the picture of Mr. Scott in the modern Trek uniform.

As for the aesthetics of TOS. I don't think it is or should be too much of a distraction. Back then (as now) the best you can hope to do is give a sense of the shape of things to come and not a literal, exacting snapshot.

Of course there are many who appear all too eager to be disdainful of anything that is over a few years old or in anyway shows signs of age. Those that do cheat themselves. Their shallowness wouldn't allow for them to appreciate the more cerebral qualities of TOS (or anything else) anyway, therefore, good riddance to bad rubbish.

TOS was very bright and vibrant, and, as previously said, in part for reasons above and beyond the immediate need of production. Like many, I love the "window into the era from which it comes" aspect. It actually serves the dramatic purpose of providing a contextual framework by which to fully understand the spirit and voice of the series.

And in that light it signals and allows a contemporary audience to understand the sociology (fears and hopes) of the day, and as such illustrates the biases of the times. So those oversaturated colors actually do a lot more than meets the eye. In my opinion.
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Old April 2 2013, 10:30 PM   #40
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I find, in many ways, that TOS has aged better than TNG. TNG seems to scream 1980s to me.
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Old April 2 2013, 11:02 PM   #41
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I find, in many ways, that TOS has aged better than TNG. TNG seems to scream 1980s to me.

That is somewhat true. The era from the late 60s through at least the mid-70s is a sort of stylistic watershed for the latter part of the century. Despite some "mod" elements, much of TOS is in step with cinematic and television styles reaching at least as far back as the 1940s, so it's snugly in the mainstream in many respects. Men's hairstyles, for example (disregarding the sideburns).

In that regard it's probably just as well that Phase II was never made. If you look at a lot of the set and costume design for that - even the font selection for some of the promotional art - it is so-o-o "disco era." There's even a bit of it in ST:TMP.
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Old April 2 2013, 11:06 PM   #42
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I find, in many ways, that TOS has aged better than TNG. TNG seems to scream 1980s to me.
And TOS doesn't scream 1960s?
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Old April 2 2013, 11:15 PM   #43
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Much as I love the bridge as a visual experience, it has some problems.

- To get from the captain's chair to the elevator, Kirk had to take two steps down, turn 180 degrees, and then take two steps right back up again, and squeeze between the chair and the red railing. (The gap varies between episodes as the captain's chair was moved forward or back to accomodate a scene.) Or he could go the long way to the port-side bridge steps and double back for the whole distance to the elevator.
It is not any easier to get to the main turbolift on TNG's Enterprise. First, the entire rear of the command chairs are blocked by the cresent-shaped, elevated security station. This means Riker, Picard and Troi had to--as seen dozens of times--get up, walk forward, turn to walk up a ramp outside of the security section just to get to the turbolift. Not exactly a functional layout.

A bridge furnished like a living room is more impractical than the TOS bridge.


It famously lacked an emergency exit, but Franz Joseph showed how easy it would be to have a wall panel that opens so I don't consider that a big design issue.
At least TAS added a second lift--predating FZ's additions.
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Old April 2 2013, 11:18 PM   #44
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No, because they respond to it with a built-in bias. Star Trek fans are inclined to like Star Trek (duh) and quite often rate it more highly in just about every respect than TV viewers and movie audiences in general do.
I have to disagree, if the near universal trashing of VOY, ENT and most of the TNG movies are any indicator. In many ways, ST fans were harder on ST's low points than Star Wars fans were about the troubled prequels.
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Old April 3 2013, 12:15 AM   #45
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Yes, but not our future. TOS looks futuristic to me the same way that Forbidden Planet still looks futuristic to me. They are just the futures of timelines that went a different direction than the one we live in.
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