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Old April 2 2013, 02:09 AM   #31
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I thought he was just terrified and wanted to leave Vulcan to save his ass. I didn't think he was actually a Romulan.
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Old April 2 2013, 02:43 AM   #32
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In the DVD series collection special features, Connor Trinneer says she has the hardest job in the show, due to the character. ... I've done stage work (not professionally), and it's obvious she did work hard at keeping the persona.
All jokes aside. Jolene Blalock maybe a terrific person. She may have been a hard worker. The role of T'Pol was indeed perhaps the trickiest and most difficult to play. I'll conceded all those points, however, she simply, by my estimation, did not have the experience or self-confidence to convincingly play such a demanding role. That is not necessarily a knock on her, but rather the producers who cast Ms. Blalock in the part - they threw her to wolves.

Leonard Nimoy was roughly a 15 year or so Hollywood veteran with a considerable educational and theatrical background (not to mention surviving the real world of hard knocks) when he first essayed the role of Mr. Spock. He was bona fide and didn't just lay the groundwork, but set the standard as well.

In terms of pure Vulcans we had Mark Lenard (brilliant as Mr. Spock's father, Sarek) and, to a slightly lesser extent, Tim Russ (Tuvok). Again, both actors had substantial educational and working experience before undertaking such a demanding and challanging role.

Jolene Blalock was a model turned actress with roughly 2-2 1/2 years experience. She was simply and obviously in over her head - not her fault nor does it shield her from criticism.

Also, this over-praising of a consistently sub-par performance, in my opinion, is in no small part why we were given so much bad "Star Trek." Hollywood has always been geared for maximum return on minimal effort (e.g. that's why the industry settled on the film standard of 24fps). Which means it is upon Trek's fandom to let the people in-charge know when they've crossed that line of too little effort or taking things too much for granted.

And by virtue of Insurrection, Enterprise, and Nemesis, I believe, the overwhelming majority would agree there was a lot of taking Star Trek's fandom for granted.

I re-iterate my position and opinion not to provoke but rather to clearly state my case minus the attempts at humor or snarkiness.

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Old April 2 2013, 03:38 AM   #33
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Yet by your own admission you have not watched the show on a consistent basis. It's easy to criticize but you hardly seem in a position to give an honest opinion. The actress who played that part I think did a great job. Her acting is in my opinion some of the best in the show. A tough role; yes. She did an amazing job and every time I watch the show I am more impressed with her acting and her interpretation of the role. The subtlety she brought to the role is easily overlooked during casual viewing. If you look at the series as a whole; her character and the way she portrayed it is genius.
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Old April 2 2013, 03:54 AM   #34
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Yet by your own admission you have not watched the show on a consistent basis.
You may have me confused with someone else. I watched "Enterprise" devoutely for the first season and a half (or two-thirds) - about 30% overall. And no one can credibly claim that wasn't giving the series' or specific actors a chance to impress. I watched more than enough to give a valid and justified critique. Of course, that to is my opinion.

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I would also add that, generally speaking, even most of those who profess to like "Enterprise" qualify their opinions with it not really finding itself and getting traction until season four. That means even they were largely dissatisfied with seasons one through three. Which translates to one out of four seasons (25%) success rate.
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Old April 2 2013, 04:03 AM   #35
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I watched the entire series for the first time in February, and rewatched some episodes several times since. At no time did Blalock's performance ring false for me. There were things the scripts had her do that didn't seem right to me sometimes, but I can't blame that on her interpretation of the character.

Unfortunately modern television often takes actors with little actual performing experience (or none at all) and gives them their own show. Reality shows are the worst case scenario example, yet somehow these non-entities become famous "stars".
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Old April 2 2013, 04:35 AM   #36
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I watched the entire series for the first time in February, and rewatched some episodes several times since. At no time did Blalock's performance ring false for me. There were things the scripts had her do that didn't seem right to me sometimes, but I can't blame that on her interpretation of the character.
I seriously respect your outlook and opinion. I confess though to being befuddled by it. I honestly cannot see how anyone could or would not judge her performance as being either wooden nor monotone nor Jolene Blalock as anything other than horribly miscast. That lack of understanding is, however, on me.

Unfortunately modern television often takes actors with little actual performing experience (or none at all) and gives them their own show. Reality shows are the worst case scenario example, yet somehow these non-entities become famous "stars".
Sad but all too true.
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Old April 2 2013, 05:52 AM   #37
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My focus in theatre and performance has always been with technique. I was more technically oriented as an actor, working from outside in, rather than a follower of Stanislavsky, though I did have his books. This may be why there's a disparity in our assessments.
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Old April 2 2013, 06:12 AM   #38
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My focus in theatre and performance has always been with technique. I was more technically oriented as an actor, working from outside in, rather than a follower of Stanislavsky, though I did have his books. This may be why there's a disparity in our assessments.
That reminds me of that old story of Laurence Olivier and Dustin Hoffman while working on the film "Marathon Man"

(cut and pasted from IMDB to save me lots-o-typing):

A story circulated for a long time that Dustin Hoffman (being a "method actor") stayed up all night to play a character who has stayed up all night. Arriving on the set, Laurence Olivier asked Hoffman why he looked the way he did. Hoffman told him, to which Olivier replied in jest, "Why not try acting? It's much easier."
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Old April 2 2013, 06:31 AM   #39
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Yeah. One of my college directors was a big believer in Stanislavsky, so we didn't get along well. I only did one of his shows. Method was centered on sensory recall of a personal experience. If a character is grieving a death, the actor might use the death of a relative or pet as the inspiration.

I did use Method once though. I played General Grant suffering a hangover at Appomatox. I'd never had a hangover at the time, so at the weekend theatre party I got absolutely smashed and had a beauty of one for next day's rehearsal. And there was a bumping heads moment in the scene.
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Old April 2 2013, 08:13 AM   #40
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I did use Method once though. I played General Grant suffering a hangover at Appomatox. I'd never had a hangover at the time, so at the weekend theatre party I got absolutely smashed and had a beauty of one for next day's rehearsal. And there was a bumping heads moment in the scene.
Well can find humor because we both agree that "to each there own" and "whatever gets the bus where it needs to go."

Having said that, I remember quite a few stories regarding Alfred Hitchcock really disliking practitioners of the "method". He was very much a hit your mark, say your lines correctly at the appropriate time. It drove him up the wall when the actor wanted to talk at length about the "why" and "motivation" of everything.

He also was not into the imrpovising that many like to explore. He meticulously story-boarded and laid out everything in pre-production - last thing he wanted was his actors going off the rails.

Then again Hitcock did want Brando for "Marnie" (which would have made for an interesting production). Amazing list of roles turned down by Marlon Brando.
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Old April 2 2013, 08:25 AM   #41
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In his interviews with Francois Truffaut, Hitchcock said the actual filming of a movie was his least favorite part of the process, because by then he'd already planned it through in his head. The book, simply titled Hitchcock/Truffaut, has discussions of all his films, and is illustrated. My first copy wore out so I bought another.
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Old April 2 2013, 12:19 PM   #42
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I would think that Method really isn't that useful for film anyway, since you're doing bits and pieces out of sequence and those pieces are usually less than 2 minutes. Yet you hear of actors who come to set in character, and stay in character all day, even if not shooting. That's a lot of wasted energy. For a play you only have to maintain the level for about 3 or 4 hours.
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Yet by your own admission you have not watched the show on a consistent basis.
You may have me confused with someone else. I watched "Enterprise" devoutely for the first season and a half (or two-thirds) - about 30% overall.
Oh, 30%; why didn't you say!! lol.

I have watched the entire series numerous times and that is what my opinion is based on. Its very hard to give a good performance without conveying any emotion and Blalock did a good job (but it would take watching the show to understand that, ).
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Old April 2 2013, 07:32 PM   #44
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I would think that Method really isn't that useful for film anyway, since you're doing bits and pieces out of sequence and those pieces are usually less than 2 minutes. Yet you hear of actors who come to set in character, and stay in character all day, even if not shooting. That's a lot of wasted energy. For a play you only have to maintain the level for about 3 or 4 hours.
Except some actors do. Daniel Day Lewis, for example, is known for never leaving "character" when making a film. He researches and submerges himself in his role for months at a time. I don't know if that's impressive or scary?
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Old April 2 2013, 07:39 PM   #45
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Okay, I've just finished watching the series finale over lunch. It wasn't my favorite episode, but thankfully I was prepared for that after reading some comments on this board. I wish we had the opportunity to actually hear Archer's speech.
Anyway, the previous episode was indeed much better. It marked the only time my eyes got a misty during this series...and I can't believe it was Phlox who made it happen! I believe they could have stretched the Terra Prime arc over several episodes if they had time...I really liked that. And what do you know, Travis was actually given some time in the spotlight again! Perhaps if the series continued, his character would have developed further. I liked that actress they put with him. The least they could have done was let him become emperor in the Mirror Universe episodes! By the way, if they would create a spin-off of Enterprise that was just focused on the Mirror Universe, I would totally watch that! I really enjoyed those episodes.

Season 3 is still my favorite. But DS9 remains my favorite series overall. For me it's DS9, TNG, ENT then TOS (having not seen VOY all the way through yet). That's not counting the movies. I loved the classic Trek movies. For me everything got better in the movies overall than the television series (referring to TOS, not TNG). Full disclosure - I grew up with TNG and the Trek films. I saw some TOS here and there, but only recently did I finally watch it the whole way through.

Glad I watched Enterprise! I would have missed out on some awesome Trek if I stopped after the first season or two. Now onto Voyager...
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