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Old March 30 2013, 07:10 PM   #16
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Re: Into Darkness ties to Star Trek XIII?

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Bill - I think it is confirmed Bad Robot is doing 1 more at least.
Bad Robot, yes. But there's nothing keeping the current creative staff from going their separate ways. So we could have new writers and a new director for Star Trek 2016.
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Old March 30 2013, 07:11 PM   #17
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Anyway, so far Abrams & co have been all about doing standalone stories that anyone can jump in, with no knowledge of what came before.
There will still be ties between movies and themes but nothing that says you absolutely must have watched the previous stuff.

I doubt that will change now.
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Old March 30 2013, 07:29 PM   #18
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I really think Cumberbatch (who is now kinda a big deal) may survive this to play a part in 13.
I'd love that!
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Old March 30 2013, 07:43 PM   #19
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I doubt there will be a true Hardyesque "Mr. Worf, fire!" cliffhanger. AFAIK, the only film to ever do anything close to that was the second Matrix film. However, I've been saying all along that I fully suspect STiD will end on a "soft" (for lack of a better term) cliff along the lines of ESB or TDK.

STiD's plot will be fully contained, but there will be unresolved plot feelers that set-up ST3.
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Old March 30 2013, 11:11 PM   #20
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...soooo...

You'd object if they did include some little tid-bit after the credits???

I'm saying I don't care.
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Old March 31 2013, 03:52 AM   #21
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...soooo...

You'd object if they did include some little tid-bit after the credits???

I'm saying I don't care.

Yer such a stick-in-the-mud...

This place would be absolutely, down-right 'boring' with out you.

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Old April 1 2013, 04:15 AM   #22
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I must agree that I do not care. Cliffhanger or not, I will be there with almost 100% of TrekBBS members when each new movie opens. Most of us will be quite happy to open our wallets for more new Trek.

I have always been a fan of episodic, rather than soap opera, television and movies. IMO, Abrams and company have the right idea: enjoy each movie as a stand alone or along with the other movies.
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Old April 1 2013, 04:57 AM   #23
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I remember reading that Abrams and co. thought about ending Star Trek with a shot of the S.S. Botany Bay floating in space.
I'm glad that didn't happen, because it would have been fanwankingly stupid. None of the casual moviegoing audience would have known that it was Khan's ship (and if they did, they probably wouldn't have cared), and by doing that they'd pretty much have to have the second film be about Khan, when the whole point of creating the alternate universe was so that they could do something new.

The last time we got a cliffhanger in Trek, it was alien space Nazis that came out of nowhere. I never want to have that experience again.
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Old April 1 2013, 07:35 AM   #24
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I'm glad that didn't happen, because it would have been fanwankingly stupid. None of the casual moviegoing audience would have known that it was Khan's ship (and if they did, they probably wouldn't have cared)
I don't see the problem there. None of the casual moviegoing audience knew who that guy in the final scene of The Avengers was, so what? By that logic you would have to drop all Star Trek references whatsoever and make it a standalone movie with no backstory at all. But that wouldn't be Star Trek, would it?
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Old April 1 2013, 08:34 AM   #25
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^Actually, that would be Star Trek.

You didn't need to have seen "The City on the Edge of Forever" to enjoy "Trouble with Tribbles" when ST first aired. You didn't need to know any backstory to follow the original episodes.
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Old April 1 2013, 10:37 AM   #26
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^Actually, that would be Star Trek.

You didn't need to have seen "The City on the Edge of Forever" to enjoy "Trouble with Tribbles" when ST first aired. You didn't need to know any backstory to follow the original episodes.
That's only because there hadn't been much backstory in those days. Now we have a 50 year old franchise backing up the new movies. If people want to see a scifi movie with no backstory at all, then they should go watch another movie. What's the point in using the name "Star Trek" and the names of the original characters if you ignore everything that came before? I know ... milking the cow, but Star Trek has such a rich backstory that it would be plain stupid not to make use of it.
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Old April 1 2013, 11:10 AM   #27
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What's the point in using the name "Star Trek" and the names of the original characters if you ignore everything that came before?
Same reason people keep publishing new versions of "Snow White", "Goldilocks", "Cinderella"...

Star Trek has such a rich backstory that it would be plain stupid not to make use of it.
But if the audience's perception is that they need to know that "rich backstory" to enjoy the movie, you get people avoiding it altogether.

By that logic you would have to drop all Star Trek references whatsoever and make it a standalone movie with no backstory at all.
Even the very first ST product, "The Cage", had a backstory. Pike's reminiscences of Mojave, his horse, Spock's limp, a dead male yeoman, a battle with a Kalar warrior...
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Old April 1 2013, 11:29 AM   #28
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Same reason people keep publishing new versions of "Snow White", "Goldilocks", "Cinderella"...
I know, using a brand name to make lots of $€£

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But if the audience's perception is that they need to know that "rich backstory" to enjoy the movie, you get people avoiding it altogether.
Then the writers have to find a way to incorporate the backstory without making it too dominant. Some backstory can be explained in a line or two, just like they did in TWOK.

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Even the very first ST product, "The Cage", had a backstory. Pike's reminiscences of Mojave, his horse, Spock's limp, a dead male yeoman, a battle with a Kalar warrior...
Exactly. Every movie HAS to have some kind of backstory. But people here seem to think that using the already existing backstory would confuse the audience. On the contrary, I say. Some things can be explained on screen in a matter of seconds while providing cohesion within the Trekverse. And it would probably motivate the audience to dive deeper into the franchise. Meaning even more $€£ for the studio.

I think that Marvel did a great job in cross-connecting their latest movies. I know lots of people who went to see one movie just because it was hinted at in another movie and because it's all set in the same universe.
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Old April 1 2013, 02:02 PM   #29
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I know, using a brand name to make lots of $€£
Do you really want it to just die and there be no more "Star Trek"? It looked pretty ragged after "Nemesis" and "These Are the Voyages".

I once read an interview with Gene Roddenberry where he speculated that "Star Trek" would undoubtedly continue beyond his lifespan and that it had become "modern mythology", and that he had to come to be proud of the fact that it would inevitably be recast, rejigged and revamped for new audiences and new technologies.

Then the writers have to find a way to incorporate the backstory without making it too dominant. Some backstory can be explained in a line or two, just like they did in TWOK.
And they do! But if your audience is convinced that they need to know 50 years of back history, no amount of clever writing will get their bums on seats.

But people here seem to think that using the already existing backstory would confuse the audience.
Have you visited this board's TrekLit section? Every fifth question to the board is "do I have to see/read that in order to enjoy this?"

Some things can be explained on screen in a matter of seconds while providing cohesion within the Trekverse. And it would probably motivate the audience to dive deeper into the franchise.
And they did. CBS reported that sales of all ST boxed sets of ST DVDs went measurably up for several months following the release of JJ's movie in 2009. Even though it was set in a new timeline, sales for the old stuff improved as new fans went off to find out about what they'd missed out on seeing before.
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Old April 1 2013, 02:45 PM   #30
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Do you really want it to just die and there be no more "Star Trek"? It looked pretty ragged after "Nemesis" and "These Are the Voyages".
Of course not, and I think that Bad Robot did a decent job with the last movie. And from what I saw in the trailes for the next one, it's gonna be spectacular.

I just don't agree with the common opinion on this board that nuTrek has to have as little connection to Star Trek as possible because they think that the general audience is too stupid to understand some references. And even if Joe Average doesn't get every reference, so what? I'm sure there are lots of references in other franchises that I don't get, but that doesn't spoil my enjoyment in any way.

Gaining a new audience is important and it helps the franchise to survive, but if we are going to reduce Star Trek to the lowest common denominator then it will become meaningless.
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