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Old April 1 2013, 04:58 AM   #16
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Re: Race + Comics: On Green Lanternís Near-Death Experience

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However, the one thing many refuse to acknowledge is that younger generations of comic creators--many seeming "liberal" either in action or speech--do not appear to know how to write characters of color--African Americans in particular , unless it is the media stereotype many with a post-Hip Hop sensibility, delivering lines like someone from a 20 year old Spike Lee movie, or random BET sitcoms. Any other character with such a strong introduction as John Stewart should have that as a springboard to move the character through time, growing into a fleshed out entity, but that never happened with JS.
Agreed. I tried to make this point earlier in the thread, but I think you made it better.

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This article seems off to me. DC has made a lot of attempts in the last ten years to diversify its cast. The new Atom, Blue Beetle, and Firestorm are all examples of this. The new 52 started with a number of titles with non-white male leads. Static Shock, Blue Beetle, Batwing, Batwoman, Mister Terrific, and VooDoo were all examples of this. How many of these are still around?
But, are they not around because they starred non-white and/or non-male leads or because of their quality? As I said, I tried Blue Beetle and dropped it because I personally thought it wasn't well written.

The few reviews of some of the other titles I'd read seemed to agree that Mister Terrific and VooDoo were not that great. I liked Batwoman, but it suffered when compared to Greg Rucka's run with the character in Detective Comics.

Of course, this raises the issue of whether or not DC purposely put their more popular, higher level talent on their more "mainstream" titles and their second or lower tier writers on titles like these.
The thing is, they need to learn how to write said minority characters better, and soon, because Garcia's right; the generation of readers being catered to with this movie is getting older and dwindling, and the situation mentioned in an article on the i09 website about manga and one particular manga book and the reason it was cancelled will soon start happening to Green Lantern as well. Maybe they can start by hiring creators and artists of color to create new characters of color, and to write the characters of color the company has now better.

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Old April 1 2013, 06:32 AM   #17
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Many of the artists that work for the Big 2 are hispanic or european or middle-east. The problem is simply none of the current fans are interested in reading about new characters unless there is a legacy aspect attached to it and even then it's dubious.
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Old April 1 2013, 09:15 AM   #18
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I truly believe the mark of a good character is that you can sum them up in one, short sentence. Hal is the brash test pilot. Kyle is the sensitive torchbearer. Guy is the lovable jerk. John is the angry black guy from Detroit, who sought social justice, fell in love with an alien, went public, became a widower, killed a planet, sunk into depression over that, fought racism on Oa, became a Darkstar, got crippled, got healed, nope he's still crippled, nope he inadvertently killed his younger sister, now he's healed and filling in for Kyle, now he's Hal's little seen partner, now he's filling in for Hal, now he's still dealing with Katma's death and being a planet killer, now he's killing Mogo, now he's killing a fellow GL...
Or you can just say John is the no-nonsense soldier.
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Old April 1 2013, 09:53 AM   #19
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But that wasn't always true of John, it was added because of the animated show. Hal started out as a brash test pilot, Kyle was always the sensitive artist carrying the torch (long before the Guardians called him the "Torchbearer"), and Guy, after emerging from the coma, has always been a bit of a jerk.
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Old April 1 2013, 07:55 PM   #20
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But that wasn't always true of John, it was added because of the animated show. Hal started out as a brash test pilot, Kyle was always the sensitive artist carrying the torch (long before the Guardians called him the "Torchbearer"), and Guy, after emerging from the coma, has always been a bit of a jerk.
It's still no less difficult to give John a one-sentence description than it is the others, though.
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But that wasn't always true of John, it was added because of the animated show. Hal started out as a brash test pilot, Kyle was always the sensitive artist carrying the torch (long before the Guardians called him the "Torchbearer"), and Guy, after emerging from the coma, has always been a bit of a jerk.
It's still no less difficult to give John a one-sentence description than it is the others, though.
Care to give it a try?
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Old April 2 2013, 12:21 AM   #22
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But that wasn't always true of John, it was added because of the animated show. Hal started out as a brash test pilot, Kyle was always the sensitive artist carrying the torch (long before the Guardians called him the "Torchbearer"), and Guy, after emerging from the coma, has always been a bit of a jerk.
It's still no less difficult to give John a one-sentence description than it is the others, though.
Care to give it a try?
See post #18
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Many of the artists that work for the Big 2 are hispanic or european or middle-east. The problem is simply none of the current fans are interested in reading about new characters unless there is a legacy aspect attached to it and even then it's dubious.
But they still do not know how to write a character like JS. To me, this could be read as a case of people with limited life experiences, where they do not really know any African Americans on an intimate level, so you get the aforementioned old Spike Lee nonsense, or worse, crap from Tarantino movies (or the caricature Sam Jackson has become in too many roles).

Writers have built on Hal Jordan from his Cold War, by-the-book adventurer days, to the Denny O'Neil period, and forward, all based on his modest, space opera origins, so why not JS?

His introduction was forceful, politically hot for its time, and provided an excellent template to use as the African American experience (in fiction), indeed, the comic book superhero experience both changed rapidly as the 1970s ran its course. But a significant level of growth simply did not occur then, or in the decades to follow, hence his fate today.
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It's still no less difficult to give John a one-sentence description than it is the others, though.
Care to give it a try?
See post #18
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Old April 7 2013, 05:03 PM   #25
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Many of the artists that work for the Big 2 are hispanic or european or middle-east. The problem is simply none of the current fans are interested in reading about new characters unless there is a legacy aspect attached to it and even then it's dubious.
But they still do not know how to write a character like JS. To me, this could be read as a case of people with limited life experiences, where they do not really know any African Americans on an intimate level, so you get the aforementioned old Spike Lee nonsense, or worse, crap from Tarantino movies (or the caricature Sam Jackson has become in too many roles).

Writers have built on Hal Jordan from his Cold War, by-the-book adventurer days, to the Denny O'Neil period, and forward, all based on his modest, space opera origins, so why not JS?

His introduction was forceful, politically hot for its time, and provided an excellent template to use as the African American experience (in fiction), indeed, the comic book superhero experience both changed rapidly as the 1970s ran its course. But a significant level of growth simply did not occur then, or in the decades to follow, hence his fate today.
The best way to depict John Stewart might be to base him on Will Smith, or Colin Powell; there are a lot of Afro-Americans to base John Stewart on. Or, they can simply write him like the writers on the Justice League show did, by studying the show and the episodes that he was featured.
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