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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: How do you rate 7x06 "The Bells of St John"?
Poor 2 1.43%
Okay 18 12.86%
Good 21 15.00%
Great 39 27.86%
Outstanding 42 30.00%
Geronimo!! 18 12.86%
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Old April 1 2013, 05:02 AM   #151
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I have to laugh at some fans calling the show childish compared to RTD's day.
So farting aliens are mature?
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Old April 1 2013, 05:05 AM   #152
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Good call, but for me (and this is just me being nitpicky), a real bottle episode is one that uses pre-existing sets, and they are often some of my favorites. One that always stands out to me is TNG's "Disaster." Lots of stuff happening, but it's all on board the Enterprise.
It helps when you have more than one room for a set.
Sure, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to do with just one room.
Doesn't mean you should either!

I think more than most shows the TARDIS is basically just a means to get from A-to-B.
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Old April 1 2013, 05:07 AM   #153
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As with everything, it depends on the story.
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Old April 1 2013, 05:07 AM   #154
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I admit to some surprise that there is a George Orwell aficionado in this thread and I'm the only guy connecting some diverse notions, like "The Bells of St. Johns" reminds me terribly of

"Oranges and lemons, say the bells of Saint Clemmons" the nursery rhyme dimly recollected by Winston Smith, and this episode of DW references the plethora of cameras in London, and the Great Intelligence even has a rather 'Big Brother-esque" cameo.

Joined to say that. All the reviews talk about how the episode title was promptly forgotten after ten minutes, but I snapped immediately to Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four and was watching sharply for related social commentary. And was not disappointed.

But who knows?
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Old April 1 2013, 05:36 AM   #155
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They're the same character is what I'm saying.
You must not be truly aware of either then, they really don't have much in common.
They both blubber around like twits and make me a bit ashamed to call myself a fan of either franchise.
Are you aware that you don't have to watch the show?

Also if any Doctor was close to Jar Jar, it was the 2nd. It's an incredibly poor analogy, but that's as close as possible to him. Close in the sense that Earth is close to the Sun.
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Old April 1 2013, 05:38 AM   #156
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Also if any Doctor was close to Jar Jar, it was the 2nd.
Didn't Smith say at some point that he's based his performance on the 2nd?
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Old April 1 2013, 05:39 AM   #157
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Also if any Doctor was close to Jar Jar, it was the 2nd.
Didn't Smith say at some point that he's based his performance on the 2nd?
Seems about right, he plays the Doctor like a toned down 2nd Doctor with the more alien aspects of the 4th.
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Old April 1 2013, 07:31 AM   #158
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You must not be truly aware of either then, they really don't have much in common.
They both blubber around like twits and make me a bit ashamed to call myself a fan of either franchise.
Are you aware that you don't have to watch the show?
Yes, someone or other always mentions it whenever I post. I have addressed the question numerous times, and I'm not sure you're really interested in the answer.
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Also if any Doctor was close to Jar Jar, it was the 2nd. It's an incredibly poor analogy, but that's as close as possible to him. Close in the sense that Earth is close to the Sun.
I strongly disagree. I don't think there's a more similar character to Matt Smith's "Doctor" in all of fiction than Jar Jar Binks.
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Old April 1 2013, 09:13 AM   #159
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They both blubber around like twits and make me a bit ashamed to call myself a fan of either franchise.
Are you aware that you don't have to watch the show?
Yes, someone or other always mentions it whenever I post. I have addressed the question numerous times, and I'm not sure you're really interested in the answer.
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Also if any Doctor was close to Jar Jar, it was the 2nd. It's an incredibly poor analogy, but that's as close as possible to him. Close in the sense that Earth is close to the Sun.
I strongly disagree. I don't think there's a more similar character to Matt Smith's "Doctor" in all of fiction than Jar Jar Binks.
You keep saying it, doesn't make it any more cleaver or even accurate. Nice try though.
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Old April 1 2013, 10:47 AM   #160
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I've just taken to skipping Bones posts entirely. Every week they're pretty much the same tired snark.
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Old April 1 2013, 10:57 AM   #161
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This was the ep that cemented Matt Smith as my favourite Doctor since McCoy. Eccleston and Tennant were intentionally less eccentric, less alien and more accessible for The Saturda
I thought about this too while watching this episode. I thought back to Tom Baker saying he would do things that were decidedly un-human since the character is an alien. Smith made me think that with little things he does, tasting the leaf, reacting with disgust at the idea of snogging someone everyone alive would snog, and various other little "alien" actions.
All of that would've been fine and worked better if it were the 3rd Doctor. But the 3rd wasn't befuddled by any of this stuff when he started living on Earth. He wasn't confused about human's, jobs, money, women or courting women. Why should he be? He'd already had at least one child of his own.

So watching 11 mentally revert to someone who act's like they've just arrived on Earth is somewhat annoying at times. Thankfully Smith has the talent to make it bearable, if not funny. However, after interacting with humans for roughly 600 years, and given that 3 wasn't as confused, then the older 11 shouldn't be stumped by a single thing in the area of "humans".
But he's centuries older and has regenerated 8 times since he was three, given regeneration seems to rewire his brain at least a little I'm surprised he isn't more scatterbrained/forgetful than he is. I don't recall everything I've done in my 42 years and I've spent it on the same planet in the same era!
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Old April 1 2013, 12:10 PM   #163
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I've just taken to skipping Bones posts entirely. Every week they're pretty much the same tired snark.
Does he still post? I thought he had left. Oh well.

The episode: it was nice. Very Black Mirror, wasn't it? When does Charlie Brooker write an episode, by the way?
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^If that's the case, then I believe they spent lots of money for something that looked and felt like what RTD did for much less. As a producer of "The Bells of St. John", I would find that pretty embarrassing. It's the definition of waste.
When did you last see an RTD episode, and does your display affect the quality? They were almost always shot very plainly and roughly.

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Russell T. Davies would open a series with gawdy, tacky cack like New Earth. A story which (Forgetting the toilet paper of a script!), is horrible for wasting a ton of money on a landscape shot of a futuristic city for no reason other than trailer time. The Doctor stares at it and then says "But actually, I'd rather go somewhere else!", before the action of the episode takes place entirely in a garish white hospital.
It sets the mood. Of future city. And is followed upon quite sufficiently with cat people.

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I have to laugh at some fans calling the show childish compared to RTD's day.
So farting aliens are mature?
Yes, despite the show generally being less mature back then...
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Old April 1 2013, 12:17 PM   #165
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I really like the episode but heckling Ghost Bones for not liking it is kinda unreasonable. That's how the mindless JJ Abrams fanboys in the other section act, I thought we were more tolerant of minority opinions in here?

I think people should be entitled to like or dislike it as much as they want.
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