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Old April 1 2013, 03:39 AM   #31
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Re: anyone else APPRECIATE chakotay's ethnic bits?

Gene's ashes were deposited in space by pegasus rocket in 1997. If there's a chance his bum has breath left in it, willing to expel, no one will hear. Tim Leary was in the same flight. He remains unphased by the experience.
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Old April 1 2013, 03:49 AM   #32
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Re: anyone else APPRECIATE chakotay's ethnic bits?

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Anyone Else Appreciate Chakotay's ethnic/spiritual aspects.

his vision quest's his legends, etc.

have to ask as I found the scenes fun, but it seems everyone and their mother finds them cliche or offensive.
Hehe...I am a J/C fan, so obviously I do not dislike Chakotay, but I do like to poke fun at him for this only because it was done in such a stereotypical way. It just was not...believable enough. He used that electronic gizmo to somehow speak to his father? I mean...I don't know. Something about it was just off.

And the tribal music...EVERY TIME.
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Old April 1 2013, 03:51 AM   #33
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Re: anyone else APPRECIATE chakotay's ethnic bits?

Did he think it was the actual spirit of his father or a hallucination his mind built and then used all memories to extrapolate what kind of advice his father would give? I was never clear on this.
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Old April 1 2013, 03:53 AM   #34
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Did he think it was the actual spirit of his father or a hallucination his mind built and then used all memories to extrapolate what kind of advice his father would give? I was never clear on this.
From what I understand, the device was supposed to imitate the effects of herbs such as Peyote, etc to enlighten you and guide you without making you...high.

So it was probably NOT his father. Just some sort of hallucination. But I also am not clear on this.
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Old April 1 2013, 03:57 AM   #35
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He acted like it was his father's spirit talking to him though, didn't he?

I don't exactly rewatch these eps a whole lot

If you spent enough time with a person and you could access all your memories and understandings of their viewpoints you could come up with their advice in a given situation. Really, it's a matter of getting out of your own rut and being able to see what someone else would see.
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Old April 1 2013, 03:58 AM   #36
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Yep. Narcotics in the 24th century are so advanced you just need a small machine to get yourself high.
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Old April 1 2013, 04:00 AM   #37
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And that's the safe, starfleet approved version. Imagine what kind of tech you can buy off Ferengis.
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Old April 1 2013, 04:00 AM   #38
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He acted like it was his father's spirit talking to him though, didn't he?

I don't exactly rewatch these eps a whole lot

If you spent enough time with a person and you could access all your memories and understandings of their viewpoints you could come up with their advice in a given situation. Really, it's a matter of getting out of your own rut and being able to see what someone else would see.
He did act like his father was talking to him.

However, it is kind of like a dream I guess. My mother died a few months ago and if I had a dream where she was there, giving me advice or something, I suppose I would not ignore it as just a dream. It would probably feel very real to me. So in that sense, it probably was supposed to feel very real to him.

However, they never clarified if it was his father or not. Considering Star Trek never, in any series, gave a clear view on religion or afterlife, I am inclined to say it was just an advanced state of dreaming. Like a shamanic experience, but without all the peyote.
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Yep. Narcotics in the 24th century are so advanced you just need a small machine to get yourself high.
ROFL... yeah I thought that remington microscreen horse schnit was ridiculous.. It would have been way more spiritual for chakotay to have like some special herbs or something.. Id have had more respect for him too..

One of my biggest dissapointments with chakotay is that they really could have made him into a "picard" esque type of character. The spiritualism, the renessance... Robert Beltran could have easily pulled off..

Instead, we get yet more half arsed "motel6 indian" bullschnit requiring the viewer to make a leap of faith rather then being drawn into and convinced of the realism.


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Old April 1 2013, 04:06 AM   #40
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I'm sorry about your mother Captain Kathryn

And yes I can see that people will take that kind of experience more to heart. It's the oddness of thinking you can access someone who is no longer with you any time via brain stimulation.
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Tim Leary was in the same flight. He remains unphased by the experience.
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Yep. Narcotics in the 24th century are so advanced you just need a small machine to get yourself high.
ROFL... yeah I thought that remington microscreen horse schnit was ridiculous.. It would have been way more spiritual for chakotay to have like some special herbs or something.. Id have had more respect for him too..

One of my biggest dissapointments with chakotay is that they really could have made him into a "picard" esque type of character. The spiritualism, the renessance... Robert Beltran could have easily pulled off..

Instead, we get yet more half arsed "motel6 indian" bullschnit requiring the viewer to make a leap of faith rather then being drawn into and convinced of the realism.


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You have more faith in Voyager than I thought. I would have never went so far as to say Beltran could pull off a Picard! And I consider myself a Chakotay fan compared to most others.

And yeah...Chakotay actually says in Season 1 that they invented that device just so they wouldn't have to take drugs lol.

CHAKOTAY: A blackbird's wing. A stone from the river. An akoonah.
JANEWAY: Akoonah?
CHAKOTAY: My ancestors used psychoactive herbs to assist their vision quests. Now they're no longer necessary. Our scientists have found more modern ways to facilitate the search for animal guides. Place your hand on it and concentrate on the stone. A-koo-chee-moy-a. We are far from the sacred places of our grandfathers. We are far from the bones of our people. But perhaps there is one powerful being who will embrace this woman and give her the answers she seeks. Allow your eyes to close. Breath to fuel the light in your belly, and let it expand until the light is everywhere. Prepare yourself to leave this room and this ship, and return to a place where you were the most content and peaceful you have ever been. You can see all around you and hear the sounds of this place.

Seems like a replacement for herbs to me. I think definitely hallucination rather than a real spirit.
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Old April 1 2013, 04:15 AM   #43
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I remember my mother made me read Carlos Casteneda when I was about 13. Apparently the high point of this peyote fueled spiritual quest was when some guy was crawling around on all fours barking and peeing on trees.

You have more faith in Voyager than I thought. I would have never went so far as to say Beltran could pull off a Picard!
Yeah I was going to reply when Slut said that something I thought better of.
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I'll take the wacky weed over an electronic high any day.
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Not me. I like dials.
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