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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: How do you rate 7x06 "The Bells of St John"?
Poor 2 1.43%
Okay 18 12.86%
Good 21 15.00%
Great 39 27.86%
Outstanding 42 30.00%
Geronimo!! 18 12.86%
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Old March 31 2013, 11:31 PM   #121
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Re: 7x06 The Bells of St John - review/ discussion

I'm watching BBCA on Charter HD, and it seems fine... colors weren't washed out last night as far as I could tell.
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Old April 1 2013, 12:07 AM   #122
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This was the ep that cemented Matt Smith as my favourite Doctor since McCoy. Eccleston and Tennant were intentionally less eccentric, less alien and more accessible for The Saturda
I thought about this too while watching this episode. I thought back to Tom Baker saying he would do things that were decidedly un-human since the character is an alien. Smith made me think that with little things he does, tasting the leaf, reacting with disgust at the idea of snogging someone everyone alive would snog, and various other little "alien" actions.
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Old April 1 2013, 12:21 AM   #123
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He's alien in the way Jar Jar Binks was alien.
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Old April 1 2013, 12:30 AM   #124
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Not feeling this episode at all. All of space and time to play with and we get modern day London (oh well, at least it wasn't Cardiff).

The best bit was taking the TARDIS on the plane. They should've revolved the whole episode around that.

I do hope Clara's arc isn't nearly as convoluted as Amy's. I don't think I can be bothered investing time into something as ill-conceived as that again.
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Old April 1 2013, 12:39 AM   #125
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He's alien in the way Jar Jar Binks was alien.
I'm not a Star Wars guy, so I'll assume that's why I'm not making the connection
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Old April 1 2013, 12:40 AM   #126
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Comments up thread hit on why this episode felt a little "off" to me; this was very much a series one RTD episode. I wonder if the cause is budget. Series one did not have a large budget, and that contributed to its feel as much as RTD did.

Doctor Who has been blowing through a good bit of money lately (the most noticeable being the second major TARDIS overhaul since Moffat took over). "The Bells of St. John" was a low budget episode; the question is how many more low budget eps we'll see in order to cover the spending gap.
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Old April 1 2013, 12:43 AM   #127
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"The Bells of St. John" was a low budget episode
What!? Seriously, go back and watch Fear Her. That is a low budget episode. This was a blockbuster action episode with a fuck ton of money thrown at it.

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I thought about this too while watching this episode. I thought back to Tom Baker saying he would do things that were decidedly un-human since the character is an alien. Smith made me think that with little things he does, tasting the leaf, reacting with disgust at the idea of snogging someone everyone alive would snog, and various other little "alien" actions.
Yup. It's gonna really hit it home with viewers in the anniversary special when they see Matt being all alien while Tennant flirts with Rose and references Eastenders or whatever.
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Old April 1 2013, 12:47 AM   #128
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* Ohhh, lovign the Tardis interior more and more. The lower level, and the quick glimpse of corridor.
I'm liking it better. I didn't quite like it so much last time, but there definitely appears to be more space here, which was my chief complaint.

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I did get a little kick out of the nod towards Amy though. (That first creepy little girl robot was based on a character from a book by Amelia Williams)
Am I wrong in thinking that the spoonhead the Doctor saw on the street looked kinda like Rory?

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Clara looked younger than the other times we saw her.
It felt like that for me too. I wonder if that means anything.
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Old April 1 2013, 12:51 AM   #129
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"The Bells of St. John" was a low budget episode
What!? Seriously, go back and watch Fear Her. That is a low budget episode. This was a blockbuster action episode with a fuck ton of money thrown at it.
I don't see it. We didn't even see the TARDIS dematerialize. It had limited CGI with the crashing plane; the way point faces and the Doctor driving up the building (part of which was done 60's Batman style). The rest was costuming and location work (which I don't believe was as expansive as it seemed).
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Old April 1 2013, 01:06 AM   #130
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"The Bells of St. John" was a low budget episode
What!? Seriously, go back and watch Fear Her. That is a low budget episode. This was a blockbuster action episode with a fuck ton of money thrown at it.
I don't see it. We didn't even see the TARDIS dematerialize. It had limited CGI with the crashing plane; the way point faces and the Doctor driving up the building (part of which was done 60's Batman style). The rest was costuming and location work (which I don't believe was as expansive as it seemed).
How big was the speaking cast? How many extras? Every one of those actors had to be paid, fed, costumed, and made-up.

The cheapest episodes are those with most of the action on standing sets back at the studio. This had a lot of location shooting in London; over 150 miles from Cardiff. That's a five hour round-trip travel time for all cast and crew coming out of the BBC Wales studios, and you'll need to pay transportation and insurance costs for everything being transported. A lot of Doctor Who in the past few years has been shot at Cardiff locations doubling for London. In this case, there were several London locations featured in and around the Thames and the Shard.

I don't think this was necessarily the most expensive episode, but it wasn't cheap and low-budget, either.
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Old April 1 2013, 01:19 AM   #131
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^If that's the case, then I believe they spent lots of money for something that looked and felt like what RTD did for much less. As a producer of "The Bells of St. John", I would find that pretty embarrassing. It's the definition of waste.
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Old April 1 2013, 01:21 AM   #132
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He's alien in the way Jar Jar Binks was alien.
I'm not a Star Wars guy, so I'll assume that's why I'm not making the connection
They're the same character is what I'm saying.

Was Bells expensive then? It looks about as expensive as City of Death.
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Old April 1 2013, 01:26 AM   #133
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Okies. My own question from a couple pages back... There's a St John's Ambulance sticker/poster on the front of the TARDIS... Were the "bells" the TARDIS making noise that it was time for the Doctor to get up off his ass?
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Old April 1 2013, 01:27 AM   #134
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He's alien in the way Jar Jar Binks was alien.
I'm not a Star Wars guy, so I'll assume that's why I'm not making the connection
Jar Jar is a goofy, cartoonish alien who usually gets into wacky situations and succeeds despite nearly getting himself killed in the process purely by accident.

They're similar in the regard that they aren't human, but in every other way are exact opposites. So it's probably the most bizarre and highly inaccurate comparison that anyone could make.

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Okies. My own question from a couple pages back... There's a St John's Ambulance sticker/poster on the front of the TARDIS... Were the "bells" the TARDIS making noise that it was time for the Doctor to get up off his ass?
It was the phone ringing on the Tardis.
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He's alien in the way Jar Jar Binks was alien.
I'm not a Star Wars guy, so I'll assume that's why I'm not making the connection
They're the same character is what I'm saying.
You must not be truly aware of either then, they really don't have much in common.
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