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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: How do you rate 7x06 "The Bells of St John"?
Poor 2 1.43%
Okay 18 12.86%
Good 21 15.00%
Great 39 27.86%
Outstanding 42 30.00%
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Old March 31 2013, 07:49 PM   #106
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Picture quality question for British viewers...

How does the show look airing in England now? I ask because here in the US, it looks very, very...cheap. I mean, Syfy Channel Saturday night original movie cheap. Previous seasons look handsome, with Beautiful, crisp, rich colorful images. The digital cameras they've switched(?) to are producing a washed out color look, very much like those Syfy Z grade flicks shot in Bulgaria. Or is it just the transmission equipment BBC America is using? Thanks.
It looks like an aesthetic decision. All digital footage for TV or film is color graded after it's shot, so when you're watching professional material, the 'look' is never going to appear how the cameras captured it. In this new season, the blacks are crushed, colors muted in outdoors shots, and the whole thing has a slight blue tint to it. It's definitely intentional, and I personally thought it looked pretty good, very cinematic.

I'm not British, but here's caps from the original feed:














(Check out that woman's coat on the left; there's no detail in it at all. They've definitely crushed the darks way down.)


The color palette appears to get less saturated and colder as the episode goes on, which I hadn't noticed before. Maybe to enhance a sense of a looming threat?
Thank you. It's probably a combination of both production choice and BBC America transmission. They ran Torchwood Children of Earth today, and it had the same washed out color look as DW did last night..

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Old March 31 2013, 07:52 PM   #107
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Wow. That looks like a degraded VHS tape! Definitely a problem on BBCA's side.
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Old March 31 2013, 07:54 PM   #108
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^ Wow, that does look pretty awful. It's like the contrast/saturation was toned down for some reason. (Transmission for DW looked beautiful on SPACE here in Canada). And that BBC America thing for Orphan Black in the lower corner is so distracting!
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Old March 31 2013, 08:03 PM   #109
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There's certain codecs, like H.264, that don't display properly in Quicktime on Windows machines, which causes an effect like that. It looks like BBCA may have received the episodes as a QT file and just ran it on a Windows box straight to air without checking the quality.

In fact, I just checked the white and black values of the Torchwood caps and they match the listed ranges in that link, so that's probably what happened.
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Old March 31 2013, 08:13 PM   #110
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Doc: "Suppose there was something living in the wifi. Harvesting human minds, extracting them... imagine that. Human souls trapped like flies in the world wide web, stuck forever, crying out for help."

Clara: "Isn't that basically Twitter?"
That's a detail that doesn't really make sense, when you think about it: the Doctor takes it as evidence that she now knows about the internet when she didn't before, but she did know about the internet, enough to want to log onto it even if she didn't know how, and similarly she'd have heard about politicians or actors or footballers saying stupid things on twitter even if she didn't use it herself.
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Old March 31 2013, 09:23 PM   #111
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This was the ep that cemented Matt Smith as my favourite Doctor since McCoy. Eccleston and Tennant were intentionally less eccentric, less alien and more accessible for The Saturday Night Takeaway crowd whereas Smith is truly The Doctor.

Found his little dance hilarious too when he described what young people do .
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Old March 31 2013, 09:49 PM   #112
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This was the ep that cemented Matt Smith as my favourite Doctor since McCoy. Eccleston and Tennant were intentionally less eccentric, less alien and more accessible for The Saturday Night Takeaway crowd whereas Smith is truly The Doctor.

Found his little dance hilarious too when he described what young people do .
As soon as I can figure out where the Upvote button is, I'm giving you karma for your insightfulness. This is one of my favorites of the Matt Smith Era.
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Old March 31 2013, 10:04 PM   #113
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This is one of my favorites of the Matt Smith Era.
The Girl Who Waited and Amy's Choice remain my favourites of the Matt Smith era. Gave both solid 10/10s.

Last night's was great though. Saw people online complaining it was "Too confusing!" but I like these complicated story arcs and much prefer them to dumbed down, bare bones storytelling.
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Old March 31 2013, 10:28 PM   #114
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Another simply ok, non-sensical episode. Definitely like Clara though, she brings some personality to the scenes she was in..

Deadly wifi? Din't see much purpose to the episode.

I am SO GLAD that got rid of that awful, awful TARDIS control room!!! I think the new one is the best ever.

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Old March 31 2013, 10:38 PM   #115
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As for washed out, make of this what you will...
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EDIT: oops wrong TV setting between inputs, this is more representative
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Old March 31 2013, 10:41 PM   #116
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I thought it was ok, and it got better towards the end, especially with the reset of Celie Imrie et al. I dunno, I'm reserving judgement till I see it again because I have a sneaking suspicion I'll like it more second time around. I don't think I was in the right mood to watch it last night.

A lot of it seemed very familiar though, a kind of mix of Partners in Crime, The Idiot Lantern and the library two parter (spoonheads seem v similar to the library nodes- "Clara Oswald has now been saved".)

I'll be back once I've watched it again
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Old March 31 2013, 10:44 PM   #117
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Deadly wifi? Din't see much purpose to the episode.
Then you haven't paid much attention to Moffatt's style of storytelling. At least as far as Doctor Who is concerned. (Hint: The first episode tells you just about everything you need to know in retrospect.)
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Old March 31 2013, 10:53 PM   #118
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Then you haven't paid much attention to Moffatt's style of storytelling. At least as far as Doctor Who is concerned. (Hint: The first episode tells you just about everything you need to know in retrospect.)
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Old March 31 2013, 10:59 PM   #119
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There's certain codecs, like H.264, that don't display properly in Quicktime on Windows machines, which causes an effect like that. It looks like BBCA may have received the episodes as a QT file and just ran it on a Windows box straight to air without checking the quality.

In fact, I just checked the white and black values of the Torchwood caps and they match the listed ranges in that link, so that's probably what happened.
I should note that those screencaps were made using VLC Player, from a recording made on a dvd recorder, in SP mode, from a SD (digital cable) channel. Comcrap Cable.

The End of Time Pts 1-2, also shown today, looked normal, as in colorful, rich, textured film grade quality. The Eleventh Hour is playing now, and it too looks fine.
That's what had me so concerned when I watched last night.
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Old March 31 2013, 11:08 PM   #120
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I should note that those screencaps were made using VLC Player, from a recording made on a dvd recorder, in SP mode, from a SD (digital cable) channel. Comcrap Cable.
At least you're watching them in color!

I'm disappointed with Comcrap HD anyway, I don't know if it's BBCA or Comcast to blame. I get nasty noise breakup sometimes when there's heavy action with certain colors. I suspect it's heavily compressed.
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