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Old March 31 2013, 09:26 PM   #16
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More Travis-centric stories would have helped. It wouldn't have had to be much, but at least give him a story each season actually about Travis, rather than occasionally being the first victim character. And he had an impressive physique in his tank top during the prisoner torture/interrogation scene of "In a Mirror Darkly"; he should have had more action scenes.

Yeah the guy was built, on equal footing of physique and good looks as Trip or even moreso. It seems that time has lessened fans hatred of Travis. I remember back about 10-11 years ago fans on here would really go after poor Anthony Montgomery and Travis Mayweather. You couldn't tell who they were more pissed at the actor or character. Day after day this is a variation of what I would read here:

Travis doesn't do anything, he always has that stupid smile on his face, Travis is useless, he has that stupid smile on his face, he acts so immature, he has that stupid smile on his face.

I remember around a decade ago the ladies here really loved Trip, Reed and Archer (especially Trip and Reed) but Travis was just as good looking but (probably b/c he a black dude) the poor guy never got the same fan attention from the women. It was tough to call it as racism b/c there was never concrete proof either way, but sure as hell looked like the reason on the surface for the poor guy. He was the least developed of all the supporting players. They had 4 whilte male actors and then they stick this one good looking black guy in there and give him nothing to do, but Star Trek fans instead of turning on the writers/directors spewed venom at actor Anthony Montgomery.

Today after reading many posts here it seems like fans have decided to be much more fair to Anthony/Travis then a decade ago in GW Bush's Presidency. It wasn't all Montgomery's fault as much as it was the writers setting up some interesting backstories and then dropping the ball by never following up on them. I really liked the space boomer idea as well, and I wish they creators made more of it.

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Old March 31 2013, 09:55 PM   #17
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Sometimes I read posts that criticize Travis, Tuvok, or Sisko and wonder if there's some sort of unspoken or subconscious racism going on, even though every incarnation of the franchise has featured a black actor. It's as if some people are stuck in a 1950s mindset.
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Old March 31 2013, 09:59 PM   #18
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It seems that time has lessened fans hatred of Travis. I remember back about 10-11 years ago fans on here would really go after poor Anthony Montgomery and Travis Mayweather. You couldn't tell who they were more pissed at the actor or character. Day after day this is a variation of what I would read here:

Travis doesn't do anything, he always has that stupid smile on his face, Travis is useless, he has that stupid smile on his face, he acts so immature, he has that stupid smile on his face.

I remember around a decade ago the ladies here really loved Trip, Reed and Archer (especially Trip and Reed) but Travis was just as good looking but (probably b/c he a black dude) the poor guy never got the same fan attention from the women. It was tough to call it as racism b/c there was never concrete proof either way, but sure as hell looked like the reason on the surface for the poor guy. He was the least developed of all the supporting players. They had 4 whilte male actors and then they stick this one good looking black guy in there and give him nothing to do, but Star Trek fans instead of turning on the writers/directors spewed venom at actor Anthony Montgomery.

Today after reading many posts here it seems like fans have decided to be much more fair to Anthony/Travis then a decade ago in GW Bush's Presidency. It wasn't all Montgomery's fault as much as it was the writers setting up some interesting backstories and then dropping the ball by never following up on them. I really liked the space boomer idea as well, and I wish they creators made more of it.
I didn't join the Trek BBS until just before the end of ENT's run and I wasn't a part of any big Trek sites before then, so I don't know what people said about Travis/Montgomery back when the show was airing. But a lot of people seem to have softened their stance toward ENT in general in recent years, so that's probably a part of it. I know that I didn't really come to truly appreciate the show until I finally watched every episode from beginning to end back in 2011.
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Old March 31 2013, 11:46 PM   #19
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It's a bit of shock seeing him in the MU after all that blandness.
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Old March 31 2013, 11:49 PM   #20
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Travis Mayweather was Harry Kim 2.0!

Not sure why they didn't learn anything from Harry being so boring.
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Old March 31 2013, 11:53 PM   #21
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No. Harry Kim was 10,000 times more interesting and had 10,000 times more stuff happen to him. Travis was a guy who should have been Voy's Ayala, but they started giving him lines and then they had to pretend he was someone.
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Old April 1 2013, 01:16 AM   #22
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Sometimes I read posts that criticize Travis, Tuvok, or Sisko and wonder if there's some sort of unspoken or subconscious racism going on, even though every incarnation of the franchise has featured a black actor. It's as if some people are stuck in a 1950s mindset.
It's a tough call, there's never enough concrete proof to label people as bigots just b/c they go after those particular guys, but when they repeatedly get singled out, yeah sure it does raise questions. I myself hated Sisko during the early years of DS9, not b/c he was a black dude but b/c I didn't like the way he blamed Picard for the death of his wife and I didn't like how smug and serious he was. Over the years I started to really like Sisko though, so if someone critisized my dislike of the early years of Sisko as bigotry on my part I know I wouldn't appreciate it.

Uhura was just a supporting player on TOS so she never drew fan ire and it was a breakthrough having her on the bridge during the 1960s. Then you had Geordi in TNG, but LeVar Burton was playing a blind nerdy engineering type, and actor Michael Dorn playing Worf could be written off as a Klingon. But when you had more leading players like Sisko and Tuvok, I have seen fans go after them over the years and I don't always get why. I didn't like early Sisko, but I think the writers really took off with the character as time went on. I do remember back in the 90s some fans were irritated that there were black Vulcans now with Tuvok, b/c all Vulcans we had seen up to that point where played by white actors (though there did seem to be some Asian Vulcans in The Search for Spock). But it seemed odd how much people fussed over something like that.

I think b/c the writers decided to give Travis nothing to do, it may have unconciously put poor Travis as a "token minority character" in the minds of some viewers, thus drawing out fan resentment. Harry Kim was also another good looking minority character, this time an Asian guy, and he wasn't given much to do, though granted he got more developed then Travis. But both guys may have been seen as characters who just have to be there to satisfy some racial quota, but it was neither the actor nor character's fault that the creators fumbled him so badly.
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Old April 1 2013, 01:22 AM   #23
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No. Harry Kim was 10,000 times more interesting and had 10,000 times more stuff happen to him. Travis was a guy who should have been Voy's Ayala, but they started giving him lines and then they had to pretend he was someone.
Interesting and Kim don't go together well in the same sentence. He did have more happen to him, but I wouldn't call that good.

Kim manages to get rejected by just about every female on Voyager, gets beaten with giant dildos on a planet full of females. Has nightmares about clowns chopping his log in half, has nightmares about Seven just having sex with him, and is the only char in the Trek franchise to get a STD. Oh and he gets the normal goldshirt beatings/alternate universe deaths too.

Mayweather managed to avoid all this negative attention at least.
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Old April 1 2013, 01:25 AM   #24
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didn't join the Trek BBS until just before the end of ENT's run and I wasn't a part of any big Trek sites before then, so I don't know what people said about Travis/Montgomery back when the show was airing. But a lot of people seem to have softened their stance toward ENT in general in recent years, so that's probably a part of it. I know that I didn't really come to truly appreciate the show until I finally watched every episode from beginning to end back in 2011.
People were pissing all over Travis back in 2001-'03, by '04 and '05 I guess no one cared.

Yes I do agree that fans have softened their stance on ENT considerably. Unlike VOY which is generally still thought of as not all that good, ENT tends to get a bit more fan support. Back then a lot of people were just sick and tired of Rick Berman and Brannon Braga and ENT got a lot of the blame for turning the franchise stale.
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Old April 1 2013, 01:30 AM   #25
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(Kim) gets beaten with giant dildos on a planet full of females.
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Old April 2 2013, 01:39 AM   #26
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The thing I liked most about Travis was that he was totally game for anything. Here's a guy who spends his whole life on a cargo ship in space, so what does he do whenever he makes planetfall? Master rock climbing. One of my favorite scenes is from 2Days2Nights where he's describing how he got injured: So there are these, like, COWS, and they LOVE MELONS! . . . His enthusiasm makes me smile every time. Whatever Archer asks of him, he doesn't hesitate. Love that.
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The thing I liked most about Travis was that he was totally game for anything. Here's a guy who spends his whole life on a cargo ship in space, so what does he do whenever he makes planetfall? Master rock climbing. One of my favorite scenes is from 2Days2Nights where he's describing how he got injured: So there are these, like, COWS, and they LOVE MELONS! . . . His enthusiasm makes me smile every time. Whatever Archer asks of him, he doesn't hesitate. Love that.
Enthusastic after seven years of being an extra. That does take talent! Jesting aside, that's a good point and one I hadn't really thought on. Guess he would want to try new things at every given opportunity since apparently all he got to do was have sex on cargo ships.
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If I was on a cargo ship for years the last place I'd spend shore leave was a cave.
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Old April 2 2013, 03:17 AM   #29
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It's a tough call, there's never enough concrete proof to label people as bigots just b/c they go after those particular guys, but when they repeatedly get singled out, yeah sure it does raise questions.
That's why I decided to add the word "subconscious", because the commenters themselves may not even realize it. I deliberately didn't single anyone out, though I made the suggestion while the Tuvok hair kerfuffle was raging, so the inspiration should be obvious.
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Sometimes I read posts that criticize Travis, Tuvok, or Sisko and wonder if there's some sort of unspoken or subconscious racism going on, even though every incarnation of the franchise has featured a black actor. It's as if some people are stuck in a 1950s mindset.
1950s? No.

But if Mayweather had just once said, "DYN-O-MITE!" or "Watcha ya' talkin' 'bout, Archer?" I would have been a fan.
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