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Old March 30 2013, 03:48 PM   #46
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To be fair to McIntee, I think most people were too drunk during the Christmas specials to remember them vividly . I honestly remember almost nothing from the 2011 special. Probably the worst episode of the Moffat era, come to think of it.
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Old March 30 2013, 03:58 PM   #47
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To be fair to McIntee, I think most people were too drunk during the Christmas specials to remember them vividly .
That's fair.

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I honestly remember almost nothing from the 2011 special. Probably the worst episode of the Moffat era, come to think of it.
I remembered hating it at the time. I picked up the DVD a few months ago (it was being liquidated, so I got it cheap), but even then I waffled on it because I had no good memories of it.

On rewatch, I liked it better than I remembered it being. It's still pretty terrible, though.

It's a unqiue and problematic story for two reasons. First, and oddly for a Doctor Who story, the Doctor isn't the protagonist in the story. That role belongs to Madge. The Doctor is simply the catalyst for the story and the conduit for Madge to be the protagonist. And second, it's a story where the Doctor genuinely makes things worse by his involvement.

There are individually good scenes in it, but the ending is Moffat's second most emotionally manipulative and the episode, as a whole, is less than the sum of its parts.

In retrospect, if Moffat really wanted a Narnia riff, he should have had Jonathan Morris rework (or reworked with Morris) "The Professor, the Queen, and the Bookshop" from DWM for television.
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Old March 30 2013, 04:28 PM   #48
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Really hope that now RTD and Collinson are gone, Eccleston gives thought to at least agreeing to a cameo for the special. He's New Who's Hartnell, a huge reason the show's still going so strong.
^ Is that Maisie Williams as someone other than Arya Stark in your av? I don't recognise the costume...
No, DalekJim's avatar is Jenna-Louise Coleman from "The Snowmen." I think that's the scene where she's left the alehouse, poshed up, and gone to the gothic pile and is waiting to go inside.
Ah... What can I say, my dad gave me four bottles of Jack Daniels and two of Kraken rum for Xmas...

Looks more like Williams to me in that pic (looks about 12...), and less like Coleman, who is usually stunning with that long hair and all.
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Old March 30 2013, 04:29 PM   #49
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To be fair to McIntee, I think most people were too drunk during the Christmas specials to remember them vividly . I honestly remember almost nothing from the 2011 special. Probably the worst episode of the Moffat era, come to think of it.
The Wardrobe one? Yeah, that's my least favourite of Moffat's run so far, by a long way.
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Old March 30 2013, 04:33 PM   #50
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It was too sickly sweet sentimental for me. The Snowmen was also far too over-sentimental (And seriously, the Great Intelligence continuity error infuriates me!) but it was a really fun adventure story I've found myself rewatching a lot.

It's not like I'm totally against sentimental endings either. I cried twice during my recent DS9 rewatch due to very overtly emotionally manipulative sequences (The Visitor's ending and the O'Brien/Bashir and Jake/Sisko montages!). In New Who though, those big cry scenes almost never feel earned.

I've never watched a show that tries to make the audience cry as often as New Who does. Off the top of my head, it tries to make the audience cry in 10 of the 13 Series 1 episodes*. I hesitate to even consider the Tennant era frequency.

* Edit: I forgot the Rose/Jackie "Where were you?" scene in Aliens of London so uh, there are CRY NOW moments in every S1 story apart from Rose and The Long Game.
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Old March 30 2013, 04:42 PM   #51
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It's not like I'm totally against sentimental endings either. I cried twice during my recent DS9 rewatch due to very overtly emotionally manipulative sequences (The Visitor's ending and the O'Brien/Bashir and Jake/Sisko montages!). In New Who though, those big cry scenes almost never feel earned.
The Visitor and The Inner Light do it for me, but usually if I cry at something it'll be because it resonates with something in my own life or background, so it's likely to be apparently quite random (there's a line in Prisoner of Azkaban that took me by surprise and did it, and I've yet to see Casino Royale with a dry eye), or indeed something that's *not* the bit the makers intended the audience to cry at (DW wise, in The End of Time it's the Master saying "get out of the way" and not any of the "oh noes, Ten is going" crap, elsewhere Ma-Ma's death in Dredd, for example, clever though it is)
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Old March 30 2013, 06:36 PM   #52
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I've never watched a show that tries to make the audience cry as often as New Who does. Off the top of my head, it tries to make the audience cry in 10 of the 13 Series 1 episodes*. I hesitate to even consider the Tennant era frequency.

* Edit: I forgot the Rose/Jackie "Where were you?" scene in Aliens of London so uh, there are CRY NOW moments in every S1 story apart from Rose and The Long Game.
I don't think Series 2 and 3 are as slimy as the first. Most of the dialogue's just those weird monologues about the size of the universe or something, lit weird. Not exactly bad except the lighting part but oddly crude and repetitive, if effective too. So it's good they made the next series very happy and the third kind of grim so there's less puking, except in Evolution, due to disorientating, to put it kindly, direction and writing.

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it's a story where the Doctor genuinely makes things worse by his involvement.
No he didn't. The dad got better. The rest was a fun illustration of the show's view about kids as companions. Without making the Doctor seem too reckless as it was meant to be a place where nothing ever happens. I'm somewhat fond of that story but it's disproportionately long and the director sucks any wonder out of every scene.
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