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Old March 30 2013, 03:24 AM   #91
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I didn't see anyone denying it but just because it was like that in the 1960's doesn't mean it has to be like that today. Compare sexism with racism...none of the "minority races" got as much screen time or were major characters, does that mean modern Trek should be the same?
That's still a false comparison. It's already been pointed out several times (Some of those times where by women, I might add.) that sexy and sexism are not the same thing.

The point here is that Star Trek has always been sexy. It has not always been sexist.
Bingo. A woman can be naked and it wouldn't be sexist (same for a man). What makes it sexist or not is how 1) the character is written, 2) How the actress/actor portrays that character.
I don't think women need men to tell them what they should find sexy or sexist. Star Trek was much more PC with TNG.

With Abrahms (ugh) Uhura stripped down to her granny-like undies in the first trailer for ST09...no plot purpose what so ever. While I haven't seen the entire film STID ... yet, it looks like it will be the same sexism. Nice to know the feminist movement has influenced cinema in 5 decades. Maybe I wouldn't be so annoyed if I didn't find Alice Eve so irritating.

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Old March 30 2013, 03:30 AM   #92
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That's still a false comparison. It's already been pointed out several times (Some of those times where by women, I might add.) that sexy and sexism are not the same thing.

The point here is that Star Trek has always been sexy. It has not always been sexist.
Bingo. A woman can be naked and it wouldn't be sexist (same for a man). What makes it sexist or not is how 1) the character is written, 2) How the actress/actor portrays that character.
I don't think women need men to tell them what they should find sexy or sexist. Star Trek was much more PC with TNG.

With Abrahms (ugh) Uhura stripped down to her granny-like undies in the first trailer for ST09...no plot purpose what so ever. While I haven't seen the entire film STID ... yet, it looks like it will be the same sexism. Nice to know the feminist movement has influenced cinema in 5 decades. Maybe I wouldn't be so annoyed if I didn't find Alice Eve so irritating.
So you're saying that a female character can't be taken seriously unless she's fully clothed? Or is that that there is never a plot/story purpose for a female character to be partially or totally unclothed? And how does that point of view apply to male characters? Or is it only sexist when women are the ones stripping down?
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Old March 30 2013, 03:56 AM   #93
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I don't think women need men to tell them what they should find sexy or sexist. Star Trek was much more PC with TNG.

With Abrahms (ugh) Uhura stripped down to her granny-like undies in the first trailer for ST09...no plot purpose what so ever. While I haven't seen the entire film STID ... yet, it looks like it will be the same sexism. Nice to know the feminist movement has influenced cinema in 5 decades. Maybe I wouldn't be so annoyed if I didn't find Alice Eve so irritating.
So you're saying that a female character can't be taken seriously unless she's fully clothed? Or is that that there is never a plot/story purpose for a female character to be partially or totally unclothed? And how does that point of view apply to male characters? Or is it only sexist when women are the ones stripping down?
Too general aren't you?

Let's face it in the context of the trailers and movie the stripping is gratuitous. As it is in most films. In fact I have never found it to be necessary. It will probably put some women off the film.

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Old March 30 2013, 04:11 AM   #94
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Who's Abrahms?

Kirk had less cloths on than Uhura or Galia in that scene. What in particular makes that scene sexist? You have a woman removing her clothing in her bedroom. While her roommate's boyfriend hides under the bed.
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Old March 30 2013, 09:06 AM   #95
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I don't think women need men to tell them what they should find sexy or sexist. Star Trek was much more PC with TNG.

With Abrahms (ugh) Uhura stripped down to her granny-like undies in the first trailer for ST09...no plot purpose what so ever. While I haven't seen the entire film STID ... yet, it looks like it will be the same sexism. Nice to know the feminist movement has influenced cinema in 5 decades. Maybe I wouldn't be so annoyed if I didn't find Alice Eve so irritating.
So you're saying that a female character can't be taken seriously unless she's fully clothed? Or is that that there is never a plot/story purpose for a female character to be partially or totally unclothed? And how does that point of view apply to male characters? Or is it only sexist when women are the ones stripping down?
Too general aren't you?

Let's face it in the context of the trailers and movie the stripping is gratuitous. As it is in most films. In fact I have never found it to be necessary. It will probably put some women off the film.

Oh come on.... A woman walks in to her OWN room, and undresses to change her clothes. That's what women (and men) do in real life. Get over yourself already.
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Old March 30 2013, 11:06 AM   #96
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Have the reboot haters ever watched Star Trek?

I wonder what they think of the decon chamber scenes in Enterprise... Which heavily featured in the adverts before it aired.

Then there are the constant stream of beautiful women cast in Trek in revealing outfits since the 60s thanks mostly to Roddenberry ?

It's all been done before... Action/sex/adventure/women everything.
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Old March 30 2013, 12:52 PM   #97
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Silver. In the future,clothing is always silver.
I thought it was "in the future, no one can hear you scream."
So Alice Eve's screaming is why it's not True Trek.
Exactly.
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Old March 30 2013, 02:38 PM   #98
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Have the reboot haters ever watched Star Trek?
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Old March 30 2013, 03:25 PM   #99
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Apparently there is a heavily edited version of Star Trek that has no sex or violence in it. Mostly it's the characters sitting and thinking or giving moralistic speeches. More room for commercials I guess.
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Old March 30 2013, 03:43 PM   #100
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I like breasts, I think they're fun and nice to look at, and the opinion according to which a movie would be tainted by the addition of breasts is one I find mind-boggling. Which really, is a moot point, considering that there are no breasts in Star Trek or in Star Trek Into Darkness.

I like breasts more than I like explosions, but again, that's not really relevant, considering that explosions have been part of Star Trek from the beginning.
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Old March 30 2013, 04:04 PM   #101
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To be fair, the self-righteous Trek Purists are taking their cue from Captain Janeway:

"There are three things to remember about being a starship captain: keep your shirt tucked in, go down with the ship, and never abandon a member of your crew."
- Kathryn Janeway to Naomi Wildman, 2375 ("Dark Frontier")

Obviously nuKirk and Abrams are refusing to comply.
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Old March 30 2013, 04:51 PM   #102
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Keep that shirt tucked in, Janeway!
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Old March 30 2013, 05:35 PM   #103
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I don't think women need men to tell them what they should find sexy or sexist. Star Trek was much more PC with TNG.
I could not stand sexist TNG episodes like Deja Q. Getting Q undressed served no plot purpose whatsoever. Let's be honest, the gratuitous nudity was there only to objectify men.
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Old March 30 2013, 05:56 PM   #104
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I don't think women need men to tell them what they should find sexy or sexist. Star Trek was much more PC with TNG.
I could not stand sexist TNG episodes like Deja Q. Getting Q undressed served no plot purpose whatsoever. Let's be honest, the gratuitous nudity was there only to objectify men.
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I don't think women need men to tell them what they should find sexy or sexist. Star Trek was much more PC with TNG.
I could not stand sexist TNG episodes like Deja Q. Getting Q undressed served no plot purpose whatsoever. Let's be honest, the gratuitous nudity was there only to objectify men.
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