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Old March 30 2013, 04:15 AM   #31
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Old March 30 2013, 04:29 AM   #32
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They definitely were paying attention to the ratings.

That's why they brought in the Borg Barbie.
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Old March 30 2013, 04:33 AM   #33
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Because nothing promotes the message of individuality, humanity and the hope for a better future than giving a person who's spent her entire life being raped and held in slavery a skin tight catsuit to parade around in.
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Old March 30 2013, 04:54 AM   #34
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The Borg(ette) was brought in as the season final to platform the direction for the following year.

That was not a reaction to week to week trends. That was an over reaction to an unflattering year that didn't live up to expectation.

The difference between making choices on the fly and tweaking the show each week opposed to radically reinventing the show in the 5 month hiatus between Scorpion I and scorpion II is like comparing the US Boy Scouts to the US Marine Corps...

Wang knew he was going to be fired. They might not have told him, but he knew. Everyone knew. He was sitting there waiting for his pink slip, wondering what was talking so long, JUST DO IT! DO IT! DO IT ALREADY! WHAT THE HELL IS TAKING YOU SO LONG!? ...But they instead ejected poor wee sweet little Jennifer into the heap of broken souls that is the sewage outlet come the Burbank City Limits.
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Old March 30 2013, 05:56 AM   #35
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And Garrett could have gone back to playing Asian gang members, or wallowed in the alleys off the Boulevard of Broken Dreams.
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Old March 30 2013, 06:15 AM   #36
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Actually, if he had been let go as People declared him the 32nd most sexy person on the planet, it's likely if he had a competent agent that Wang could have parleyed that into a movie deal or the lead in his own show, possibly a new spinoff CSI or Law and Order becuase he had leverage, leverage that no longer existed wen Voyager finished.

"You gotta know when to hold'em, know when to fold'em, know when to walk away and kow when to run."

If Garret played his cards right, he could have had a career as as stunning as Shelly Longs'.

I joke.

Shelly folded too early and Garret held'em too long.

What a pair of dunces.
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Old March 30 2013, 06:26 AM   #37
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Since they needlessly axed her, I've missed Kes. She was a sweet and likable character I found, with a decent role in the show, good links with other characters (glossing over the grooming Neelix gave her), her mental abilities gave her an added twist.

I think the fact that she was so abruptly removed and replace is one of the reasons I never took to Seven (plus she was a cold and unlikeable bitch most of the time). I love strong female characters, but when so much of who she is is defined by strutting around in cliched catsuits I lose interest.
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Old March 30 2013, 08:50 AM   #38
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I wonder if People got some note from a trekkie in the People pantheon telling them to make sure they put a Trek person in their list and so they did a quick scan looking for who they could use. Who else would they have picked?

Paris: Not a good looking man at all, just kind of joe average. Pleasant. Not a rogue despite the character description.

The EMH: Bald.

Janeway: ANCIENT PRACTICALLY MENOPAUSAL

B'Elanna: Uhh...well she doesn't have Klingon teeth but this still isn't flying in People Land.

Neelix: N/A

Chakotay: I concede this might have been an option. But kind of fat.

Tuvok: If you want to be beautiful AND unsmiling you need to be evil. Pass.

Kes: A child.

Harry Kim was the only option. Mr Trekkie People Boss is to blame.
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Old March 30 2013, 01:59 PM   #39
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Chakotay: I concede this might have been an option. But kind of fat.
As much as I love Chakotay, I have to agree with teacake here. Seven of Nine wasn't the only one wearing a corset on Voyager's set.
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Old March 30 2013, 02:39 PM   #40
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Paris is good looking; he's my favorite and the stuff of dreams.
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Old March 30 2013, 03:17 PM   #41
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They definitely were paying attention to the ratings.

That's why they brought in the Borg Barbie.
Back then I never considered not watching/enjoying a Star Trek series - it was completly incomprehensible.

Enterprise managed the unthinkable and weaned me off, (in fact I think it changed the whole addictive nature of TV for me, so in part I am greatful) but truth is I've never enjoyed Star Trek as much since it soured the milk.

But there was a time where I worried if they'd try a similar trick with Enterprise - like add a hot 18-25 year old blonde - and wondered how strong my resolve would be. Back then it would have been enough, probably.

Season 4 did push Voyager up a gear, as much as Worf did for DS9.
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Old March 30 2013, 08:08 PM   #42
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But there was a time where I worried if they'd try a similar trick with Enterprise - like add a hot 18-25 year old blonde - and wondered how strong my resolve would be. Back then it would have been enough, probably.
Blalock apparently had (sometimes) blonde hair under the wig. But she was about 26 when starting the series, which can almost be over-the-hill in Hollywood.
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Old March 30 2013, 10:09 PM   #43
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But there was a time where I worried if they'd try a similar trick with Enterprise - like add a hot 18-25 year old blonde - and wondered how strong my resolve would be. Back then it would have been enough, probably.
They already had T'Pol as the babe, would've been pointless to add another for the sake of ratings.

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Blalock apparently had (sometimes) blonde hair under the wig. But she was about 26 when starting the series, which can almost be over-the-hill in Hollywood.
I've always hated the short Vulcan wig she usually wore. We finally saw Blalock with her real hair in the Mirror universe episodes. I couldn't believe how much better she looked. They should have let her keep the long hair from the start!
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Old March 30 2013, 11:19 PM   #44
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But there was a time where I worried if they'd try a similar trick with Enterprise - like add a hot 18-25 year old blonde - and wondered how strong my resolve would be. Back then it would have been enough, probably.
Blalock apparently had (sometimes) blonde hair under the wig. But she was about 26 when starting the series, which can almost be over-the-hill in Hollywood.
She was blonde on Stargate.
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Old March 30 2013, 11:37 PM   #45
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She was blonde on Stargate.
I wasn't a regular viewer of Stargate, and haven't seen real television at all since 2006 (nor cable since 1995). But every out of character publicity or modeling shot I saw of Blalock during ENT's run, she looked blonde.
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