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Old March 29 2013, 07:39 PM   #76
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Your desperation is starting to sound pathetic. You realize that anyone can see that you've have run out of ammo, right?
kirk55555 is entitled to post his opinion, such as it is, and he expressed it in enough detail that it ought to be possible to address what he said without getting personal.
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Old March 29 2013, 07:42 PM   #77
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Christ, you'd think the trailer was a slow motion version of the opening scene of Barbarella the way folks talk about it being full of boobs. It was was a second or two of a woman in her underwear.
It's called goalpost moving. And this is Captain Robert April part 2.
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Old March 29 2013, 07:42 PM   #78
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I don't think I've ever seen someone string so many redundant hasty generalizations together at once.

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I found Spock's life story, told as an obvious "coming out" allegory, quite touching. I don't recall Transformers or any other blockbuster action movie I've seen having an emotional punch like Star Trek did.
Totally agree. Nor did Transformers ever reach an emotional climax like the one in the opening.
I still think the opening sequence of ST09 was some of the best 10 minutes of Trek ever produced.
Even when I didn't like that movie, I would agree that the 1st ten minutes packed more emotion than anything in the prior films.

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Christ, you'd think the trailer was a slow motion version of the opening scene of Barbarella the way folks talk about it being full of boobs. It was was a second or two of a woman in her underwear.
Someone explain to me how this:


Is more "true trek" than this:

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Old March 29 2013, 07:44 PM   #79
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Green hair.

Duh.
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Old March 29 2013, 07:44 PM   #80
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I don't think I've ever seen someone string so many redundant hasty generalizations together at once.


Totally agree. Nor did Transformers ever reach an emotional climax like the one in the opening.
I still think the opening sequence of ST09 was some of the best 10 minutes of Trek ever produced.
Even when I didn't like that movie, I would agree that the 1st ten minutes packed more emotion than anything in the prior films.

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Christ, you'd think the trailer was a slow motion version of the opening scene of Barbarella the way folks talk about it being full of boobs. It was was a second or two of a woman in her underwear.
Someone explain to me how this:


Is more "true trek" than this:

Uhura's uniform, of course.
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Old March 29 2013, 07:47 PM   #81
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That said, I can't resist ending the post by laughing at the fact that Star Trek 2009 has been accused of having emotion. Spock was the second worst character after Uhura in that movie, and was probably the worst actor, too. His story had about as much emotion as any of bay's movies.
I'd be interested to hear what films or Star Treks moved you, and which actors from it you consider talented. I somehow doubt we'll agree.
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Old March 29 2013, 07:52 PM   #82
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I'd be interested to hear what films or Star Treks moved you, and which actors from it you consider talented. I somehow doubt we'll agree.
Exactly. This whole group are so willing to point out what's wrong with Abrams Trek how it isn't real Star Trek, but none have yet to offer an alternative. They never suggest how they'd make it better or how action Trek film of old differs from nuTrek.

My original question still stands: What is real Star Trek?
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Old March 29 2013, 08:12 PM   #83
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Green hair.

Duh.
Silver. In the future,clothing is always silver.
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Old March 29 2013, 09:26 PM   #84
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I can only assume that people making comparisons to transformers etc are referring to the action sequences and the bigger scope, better visual effects etc that have come as a consequence of the increased budget that allows for these better visual effects and new sets.

Therefore I believe that the only way to appease these fans is to reduce the budget from $200 million to approximately $20 million and construct the sets using 1960s carpentry technology from plywood. In addition a return to 60s techniques for visual effects so that's no motion control etc to ensure continuity with the original show.
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Old March 29 2013, 10:33 PM   #85
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Nerys Myk wrote: View Post
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Someone explain to me how this:


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Green hair.

Duh.
Silver. In the future,clothing is always silver.
I thought it was "in the future, no one can hear you scream."
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Old March 29 2013, 11:06 PM   #86
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I want to know where all the boobs were at in the 1st movie that people keep complaining about, cause other than Uhura and Gaila in their bras (and that doesn't count) there was a distinct lack of boobs flashing about.

I saw Kirk's boobs, he was topless.
And yes, it counts. And it's an outrage, a slap in the face of True Trek.
Plenty of skin in Gamesters of Triskelion... and Kirk's boobs! I don't know what Trek that Kirk555555555555555 is talking about that is sans skin, but obviously he isn't referring to TOS.

When Trek is at its best, IMO the sci-fi provides the backdrop for a compelling story. Think City on the Edge of Forever. It challenges your prejudices (Let that Be Your Last Battlefield). The same is true for TNG (The Best of Both Worlds, Chain of Command).

But what I've always liked about Trek is it doesn't try to hit those high watermarks all the time. Sometimes it's just pure entertainment (The Trouble with Tribbles). Sometimes it's funny (We watched By Any Other Name last nite and my kids are still walking around the house, mimicking and laughing about Scotty being drunk). Sometimes it's action... and let's be honest, some episodes just don't work at all.

Ok, that got wordy, so I'll sum up by saying that Trek is about creating a relationship with the audience that allows all of these formats to play out at different times.

IMHO, JJ hit all of these elements in '09 and I don't expect that ID will disappoint.
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Old March 29 2013, 11:59 PM   #87
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Green hair.

Duh.
Silver. In the future,clothing is always silver.
I thought it was "in the future, no one can hear you scream."
So Alice Eve's screaming is why it's not True Trek.
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Old March 30 2013, 02:53 AM   #88
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No doubt. The assertion that Star Trek hasn't used sexy, scantily clad ladies to sell their brand is beyond absurd.

You are in serious, serious denial if you believe otherwise.
I didn't see anyone denying it but just because it was like that in the 1960's doesn't mean it has to be like that today. Compare sexism with racism...none of the "minority races" got as much screen time or were major characters, does that mean modern Trek should be the same?
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Old March 30 2013, 03:06 AM   #89
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I didn't see anyone denying it but just because it was like that in the 1960's doesn't mean it has to be like that today. Compare sexism with racism...none of the "minority races" got as much screen time or were major characters, does that mean modern Trek should be the same?
That's still a false comparison. It's already been pointed out several times (Some of those times where by women, I might add.) that sexy and sexism are not the same thing.

The point here is that Star Trek has always been sexy. It has not always been sexist.
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I didn't see anyone denying it but just because it was like that in the 1960's doesn't mean it has to be like that today. Compare sexism with racism...none of the "minority races" got as much screen time or were major characters, does that mean modern Trek should be the same?
That's still a false comparison. It's already been pointed out several times (Some of those times where by women, I might add.) that sexy and sexism are not the same thing.

The point here is that Star Trek has always been sexy. It has not always been sexist.
Bingo. A woman can be naked and it wouldn't be sexist (same for a man). What makes it sexist or not is how 1) the character is written, 2) How the actress/actor portrays that character.
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