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Old March 28 2013, 01:13 AM   #1
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Seven of Nine’s Character & Her Development - Was She Meant to Die?

Who created the Seven of Nine character??? I was watching the recent Trekcore interview with Brannon Braga and the following was said at 4:54…
Trekcore: A lot of fans say that “Braga kinda defanged the Borg in Voyager by making them less of a threat. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there is anything behind that, or in your opinion were they the same as they were in the Next Generation?”

Braga: I think that for the most part, the Borg were a very successful villain on Voyager. I don’t think they were… They were “defanged” only in so much as they kept getting their a**es kicked! You know, once the Borg loses enough times, which is [***Comic Spoiler***]… That’s the danger when you keep bringing them back. I think we brought them back, maybe twice too many [times]. There were a couple Borg episodes I don’t think were quite as successful. I don’t remember the finale well enough… ‘cause I think I have a story credit on it, so you’d think I’d remember it. I don’t know that the Borg were super impactful there. Again, I think Seven of Nine should have bit the dust. I think there had to be a human sacrifice, a real sacrifice, for this crew getting home; a real blood sacrifice. Seven of Nine was, for me, designed to be a character that was gonna die tragically. I planned that.

Trekcore: A Spock moment. Somebody who’s not human, who becomes human by making the ultimate sacrifice.

Braga: That’s right. Well, there’s an episode called “Human Error” that I wrote in the final season, where she tries to… she experiments on the holodeck- it’s actually quite an interesting episode. She’s trying to feel emotions. And she actually succeeds, but then almost dies. She learns that there’s a Borg implant, that if she becomes too human, it will kill her. It was at that moment in my mind that would set up the finale, where she realized that she can’t live here, she can’t live there. And she dies getting her family home. And, I think then that you have a finale.
At first, he said that for him Seven was designed to be a character that was going to die tragically. Then he said that he planned that. He then mentioned how the episode “Human Error” had plot developments that would tie into his plan on an emotional level. Do you think that this was something that was really planned from the beginning by "the powers that be" (meaning more people that just Braga) or that Braga just came up with it at some point? He did say that for him it was planned this way. When I listened to this portion of the interview, it reminded me of the tv show Lost. A Producer, I forget which one, said that they always planned for Juliet’s story to end tragically and that was the reason they gave her the name Juliet (reminding us of the tragic Juliet from Shakespeare’s Romeo & Juliet).

I’m of course glad that 7 didn’t die. Perhaps "the powers that be" overrode Braga’s desire to kill her in case they wanted to use her in some sort of Trek film (assuming they didn’t want to pull another Spock moment and have her brought back to life in a film). Or, perhaps they just wanted the finale to be more Janeway centric vs. 7 centric. Anywho, while I’m glad 7 didn’t die, I think that that death would have made more sense than Trip’s death on Enterprise.
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Old March 28 2013, 02:40 AM   #2
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Braga didn't desire to kill her, in his mind, given this evidence, she was already dead.

Dead Borg Walking.
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Old March 28 2013, 10:13 PM   #3
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It's rather obvious that everything about Endgame wasn't thought through. I'd say that includes Seven's death or lack thereof. Honestly I don't think Voyager's writers were bold enough to kill a main character for dramatic effect deliberately.
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Old March 28 2013, 10:33 PM   #4
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Who created the Seven of Nine character???
Braga had the initial concept of a Borg crewmember, fleshed it out a bit with Joe Menosky, and Rick Berman suggested making the character female. So Brannon Braga should get the credit (or the blame) for the original idea.
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Old March 28 2013, 10:45 PM   #5
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It would have been a better ending not to mention braver but voyager never had any guts to it so I don't see how it could ever have happened - I'm only surprised that when they got back home, all the crew that had died along the way weren't somehow magically brought back to life
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Old March 28 2013, 11:00 PM   #6
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It's rather obvious that everything about Endgame wasn't thought through. I'd say that includes Seven's death or lack thereof. Honestly I don't think Voyager's writers were bold enough to kill a main character for dramatic effect deliberately.
They really should have killed Kes in "The Gift" instead of sending her away than bring her back in "Fury". What a terrible ending for a character!
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Old March 28 2013, 11:04 PM   #7
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It's rather obvious that everything about Endgame wasn't thought through. I'd say that includes Seven's death or lack thereof. Honestly I don't think Voyager's writers were bold enough to kill a main character for dramatic effect deliberately.
They really should have killed Kes in "The Gift" instead of sending her away than bring her back in "Fury". What a terrible ending for a character!
Yeah, that was a nice little sendoff. Then just ruined it when she came back in Fury and went nuts for no real reason. The same thing really happened with Q. Awesome sendoff in All Good Things... Q and the Grey and Q2 just ruined that.
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Old March 28 2013, 11:10 PM   #8
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Yeah, that was a nice little sendoff. Then just ruined it when she came back in Fury and went nuts for no real reason. The same thing really happened with Q. Awesome sendoff in All Good Things... Q and the Grey and Q2 just ruined that.
These days I like to pretend the Q that showed up on VOY was an impostor of the one we all knew from TNG.
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Old March 28 2013, 11:15 PM   #9
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In "Fury", Kes' ferocity is like Gilda Radner's Emily Litella character on original SNL. After spending the whole show in hysterical mode, once it's slowly explained she misunderstood everything she's mad about, it's "Oh. Well that's quite different. Never mind."
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Old March 28 2013, 11:17 PM   #10
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It's rather obvious that everything about Endgame wasn't thought through. I'd say that includes Seven's death or lack thereof. Honestly I don't think Voyager's writers were bold enough to kill a main character for dramatic effect deliberately.
They really should have killed Kes in "The Gift" instead of sending her away than bring her back in "Fury". What a terrible ending for a character!
Yeah, that was a nice little sendoff. Then just ruined it when she came back in Fury and went nuts for no real reason. The same thing really happened with Q. Awesome sendoff in All Good Things... Q and the Grey and Q2 just ruined that.
And when Trek DID kill off a main character everyone went apeshit about it.
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Old March 28 2013, 11:29 PM   #11
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And when Trek DID kill off a main character everyone went apeshit about it.
Not that much for Tasha Yar. But for the other person in the other show, yeah. But part of that apeshitness I think is how they did it.
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Old March 28 2013, 11:34 PM   #12
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What always annoyed me was that it was it was always women that left, and always for behind the scenes reasons. It was NEVER about what was better for the series.
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And when Trek DID kill off a main character everyone went apeshit about it.
Not that much for Tasha Yar. But for the other person in the other show, yeah. But part of that apeshitness I think is how they did it.
Yes. I forgot all about Tasha, it was that other person.
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Old March 28 2013, 11:41 PM   #14
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What always annoyed me was that it was it was always women that left, and always for behind the scenes reasons. It was NEVER about what was better for the series.
To be fair, sometimes those behind the scenes reasons dictate things. Farrell leaving? Can't be avoided short of recasting Dax, which would create it's own uproar. Though I guess they did pretty much that in their own Trill way.

I don't mind the fact they killed off Jadzia, though doing it to establish how evil Dukat is, was a bit redundant by that point. I always found it odd that the fire thingy was right where the symbionant was but somehow it was it that survived and not Jadzia. DS9 at least made is a plot relevant death with lasting consequences.

Yar's departure... again she wanted to leave. Not much to be done about that if she doesn't want to stay. Sure it was unfulfilling how she died, but that was season 1 tng at it's status quo. I always found it silly on her part she got out as quick as she could, then spent the next six plus years trying to get back into the franchise.

Kes is a bit more controversial and this is one that irritated me some. She was literally the one character on Voyager with the most interesting potential but the writers just couldn't figure out what to do with her. Still think they'd been better off getting rid of Kim, but some fangirl at TV guide decided he was hot so he made that list.
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Old March 28 2013, 11:47 PM   #15
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A small part of Seven died in Drone (good emotional reasons). And Human Error (no more need be said).
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