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Old March 26 2013, 11:01 PM   #76
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Unfortunately scandals sell papers, so what can we do?
Not buy the papers that rely on scandal?
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Old March 27 2013, 08:46 PM   #77
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For those who can access th site, biography author Richard Marson was interviewed on today's edition of Radio 4's Media Show. Available as podcast or stream at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dv9hq
Not had a chacne to listen to it myself yet...
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Old March 28 2013, 01:13 PM   #78
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Unfortunately scandals sell papers, so what can we do?
Not buy the papers that rely on scandal?
Thank you. Something I've said for years.
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Old March 28 2013, 02:20 PM   #79
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For those who can access th site, biography author Richard Marson was interviewed on today's edition of Radio 4's Media Show. Available as podcast or stream at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dv9hq
Not had a chacne to listen to it myself yet...
It was an interesting interview. (I haven't yet downloaded the latest Radio Free Skaro, which also interviews Marson.)

Marson points out that the book was sent to a single outlet -- specifically The Guardian -- and every other outlet is riffing on the few things that the Guardian wrote about in their review. (However, the SFX review was out before the Guardian's review, so I'm puzzled on that score.)

Marson comes across as a bit naive. He argues that his book is a balanced look at JNT's life and that it's unfair that people are focused solely on the salacious chapter of a book they haven't even read. However, I'm not sure why he would expect otherwise. For good or ill, people like dirt.
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Old March 28 2013, 04:52 PM   #80
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Re: The Life And Scandalous Times Of John Nathan-Turner

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Marson comes across as a bit naive. He argues that his book is a balanced look at JNT's life and that it's unfair that people are focused solely on the salacious chapter of a book they haven't even read. However, I'm not sure why he would expect otherwise. For good or ill, people like dirt.
I don't think he's naive but disingenuous. Especially when you consider the title he gave his book. Which is not necessarily a criticism, he would have wanted maximum publicity for what is in essence a niche book issued by a tiny publisher and he got it.

I hope it does very well, by all accounts it's a fair portrait - sadly Miwk have said there hasn't been a spike of pre-orders following the reports.
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Old March 28 2013, 05:11 PM   #81
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I don't see any naivete there. He's not saying he's surprised that people are focusing on the salacious parts at the expense of the majority of the book; he's just saying, quite correctly, that it's an unfairly biased take on the work. Just because unfairness is predictable, that doesn't make it right.
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Old March 28 2013, 09:08 PM   #82
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I don't see any naivete there. He's not saying he's surprised that people are focusing on the salacious parts at the expense of the majority of the book; he's just saying, quite correctly, that it's an unfairly biased take on the work. Just because unfairness is predictable, that doesn't make it right.
This is not a book called "John Nathan-Turner - A Life Devoted to the BBC" or something similar.

This is a book called "The Life and Scandalous Times of John-Nathan Turner."

It's absolutely, absolutely designed to make you go, "Ooh, what's the dirt in here?" He gets to have his cake and eat it too; he gets to draw them in with a salacious sounding title, get a lot of publicity from it, and then go, "Oh, no, no, that's just one small part in a larger book about more things!" If he truly felt this way, he wouldn't have named his book that or have been more vocal about the publishers giving it that title and bringing in attention he thinks is unfair.
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Old March 28 2013, 09:30 PM   #83
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^ Seriously, he gives it that title and of course are going to be looking for that and talking about!
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Old March 28 2013, 10:40 PM   #84
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^ Seriously, he gives it that title and of course are going to be looking for that and talking about!
But that's assuming that he gave it that title, and that may very well be untrue. A lot of the time, it's the editors or publishers who give a book a different title than the author wanted because they think it'll sell better. I've had that happen to me a couple of times myself, though at least I've been consulted in selecting a new title. But I've heard of cases where authors were saddled with more sensationalist or misleading titles than they wanted, especially in nonfiction.
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Old March 28 2013, 10:50 PM   #85
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^ Seriously, he gives it that title and of course are going to be looking for that and talking about!
But that's assuming that he gave it that title,
He did.
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Old March 28 2013, 10:59 PM   #86
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A lot of the time, it's the editors or publishers who give a book a different title than the author wanted because they think it'll sell better. I've had that happen to me a couple of times myself, though at least I've been consulted in selecting a new title. But I've heard of cases where authors were saddled with more sensationalist or misleading titles than they wanted, especially in nonfiction.
I mentioned that in my post. If that was the case, you think it'd be something he'd mention when bitching about people being drawn to this for salacious content.
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Old March 28 2013, 11:09 PM   #87
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But that's assuming that he gave it that title, and that may very well be untrue. A lot of the time, it's the editors or publishers who give a book a different title than the author wanted because they think it'll sell better.
Given that it's a Vanity Published book I doubt there was any editorial interference involved.
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Old March 28 2013, 11:41 PM   #88
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^ Seriously, he gives it that title and of course are going to be looking for that and talking about!
But that's assuming that he gave it that title, and that may very well be untrue. A lot of the time, it's the editors or publishers who give a book a different title than the author wanted because they think it'll sell better. I've had that happen to me a couple of times myself, though at least I've been consulted in selecting a new title. But I've heard of cases where authors were saddled with more sensationalist or misleading titles than they wanted, especially in nonfiction.
Fair to a point. However, even if he didn't give it that title, it still has that title. Consequently, the reaction is predictable.

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Old March 29 2013, 01:06 AM   #89
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^Again, whether the audience reaction is predictable or not has nothing to do with it, because he didn't say he was surprised by it, he said he found it unfair. Lots of predictable reactions are unfair. The cynic would say that it's surprising when anything in life is fair.
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Old March 29 2013, 04:59 AM   #90
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A lot of the time, it's the editors or publishers who give a book a different title than the author wanted because they think it'll sell better. I've had that happen to me a couple of times myself, though at least I've been consulted in selecting a new title. But I've heard of cases where authors were saddled with more sensationalist or misleading titles than they wanted, especially in nonfiction.
I mentioned that in my post. If that was the case, you think it'd be something he'd mention when bitching about people being drawn to this for salacious content.
Right, because saying that on network radio would really help to damp the fire... (rather than, for instance, setting up a follow-up headline of "Doctor Who sex expose writer slams publishers")
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