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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old March 14 2013, 08:12 AM   #121
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Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms?

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TMP never expressed explicitly that all the uniforms were "spray 'n' wear", though.
Because the Wild West movies didn't explain how rifles worked when they fired them either.

The "spray 'n' wear concept" was described in publicity sheets of the day, the "Making of..." book and the novelization. None of it canon, of course, but how often was the mechanics of a rifle explained in westerns?

Starfleet decided to move away from a style that at least looked flimsy and easily damaged, and toward one that, for all its formality, would stand up to constant wear.
And seemingly impossible to put on, or remove, by oneself.
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Old March 17 2013, 08:08 PM   #122
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Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms?

I seem to recall Kirk putting his jacket on with no help from David in the scene where David says he's proud to be daddy's little twinkle.
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Old March 18 2013, 08:36 PM   #123
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I seem to recall Kirk putting his jacket on with no help from David in the scene where David says he's proud to be daddy's little twinkle.
Yeah, it's basically a wraparound belted jacket with the outer flap held closed by a button on the shoulder rank strap.
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Old March 23 2013, 05:57 PM   #124
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Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms?

Technically it was a row of snaps along the black piping, but yeah.
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Old March 23 2013, 07:15 PM   #125
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Old March 23 2013, 07:19 PM   #126
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Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms?

To me the TMP uniforms go along with the whole vibe of the movie so I think it works. (Not that everyone digs that vibe...)
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Old March 23 2013, 07:36 PM   #127
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I think one thing we can agree on for TMP that was bad was the bland pajama uniforms that showed off everyone's junk.

Would it have been an improvement to just use the TOS/Phase II uniforms one last time, then transition to the Crimson militaristic uniforms we see from WOK to TUC?

What are your thoughts?

I think it would have been better to look at that's for sure. I actually like TMP although I do not care for the uniforms. They could have updated them just a bit without going as far as they did.
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Old March 24 2013, 02:01 AM   #128
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Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms?

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I seem to recall Kirk putting his jacket on with no help from David in the scene where David says he's proud to be daddy's little twinkle.
Yeah, it's basically a wraparound belted jacket with the outer flap held closed by a button on the shoulder rank strap.
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Technically it was a row of snaps along the black piping, but yeah.
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The outer flap has black piping along the outer edge, that matches black piping around the part of the inner flap it covers. The piping has a row of snaps along the side that hold the flap shut, with a hinged clasp at the corner.
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Old March 24 2013, 07:14 AM   #129
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Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms?

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I seem to recall Kirk putting his jacket on with no help from David in the scene where David says he's proud to be daddy's little twinkle.
I meant the TMP uniforms, which were designed with the idea that they were "spray and wear".

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The piping has a row of snaps along the side that hold the flap shut, with a hinged clasp at the corner.
The ST II uniforms also have sections of metallic jewellery chain, sewn between the snaps. The idea was to suggest that the flap was being held in place futuristically/magically/magnetically. Our club members used Velcro on ours, but one member added some chain lengths. (So thanks to T'Pol's ancestor!)
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Old March 24 2013, 09:10 AM   #130
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I seem to recall Kirk putting his jacket on with no help from David in the scene where David says he's proud to be daddy's little twinkle.
Yeah, it's basically a wraparound belted jacket with the outer flap held closed by a button on the shoulder rank strap.
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Technically it was a row of snaps along the black piping, but yeah.
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The outer flap has black piping along the outer edge, that matches black piping around the part of the inner flap it covers. The piping has a row of snaps along the side that hold the flap shut, with a hinged clasp at the corner.

Uh-huh.
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Old March 24 2013, 07:02 PM   #131
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Old March 24 2013, 08:06 PM   #132
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Not really. It's just two ways of describing the same garment. No biggie.
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Old March 25 2013, 04:32 PM   #133
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As I was reading this discussion I remembered the opening from the novelization to TMP
It's from Kirk's point of view and for the most part it seems to defend the necessity of Starfleet's militarism over a more Enlightened Socialistic approach

"Some critics have characterized us of Starfleet as “primitives,” and with some justification. In some ways, we do resemble our forebears of a couple of centuries ago more than we do most people today. We are not part of those increasingly large numbers of humans who seem willing to submerge their own identities into the groups to which they belong. I am prepared to accept the possibility that these so-called new humans represent a more highly evolved breed, capable of finding rewards in group consciousness that we more primitive individuals will never know. For the present, however, this new breed of human makes a poor space traveler, and Starfleet must depend on us “primitives” for deep space exploration.

It seems an almost absurd claim that we “primitives” make better space travelers than the highly evolved, superbly intelligent and adaptable new humans. The reason for this paradox is best explained in a Vulcan study of Starfleet’s early years during which vessel disappearances, crew defections, and mutinies had brought deep space exploration to a near halt. 1 This once controversial report diagnosed those mysterious losses as being caused directly by the fact that Starfleet’s recruitment standards were dangerously high. That is, Starfleet Academy cadets were then being selected from applicants having the highest possible test scores on all categories of intelligence and adaptability. Understandably, it was believed that such qualities would be helpful in dealing with the unusually varied life patterns which starship crews encounter during deep space exploration.

Something of the opposite turned out to be true. The problem was that sooner or later starship crew members must inevitably deal with life forms more evolved and advanced than their own. The result was that these superbly intelligent and flexible minds being sent out by Starfleet could not help but be seduced eventually by the higher philosophies, aspirations, and consciousness levels being encountered. I have always found it amusing that my Academy class was the first group selected by Starfleet on the basis of somewhat more limited intellectual agility. 2 It is made doubly amusing, of course, by the fact that our five-year mission was so well documented, due to an ill-conceived notion by Starfleet that the return of the U.S.S. Enterprise merited public notice. Unfortunately, Starfleet’s enthusiasm affected even those who chronicled our adventures, and we were all painted somewhat larger than life, especially myself.

Eventually, I found that I had been fictionalized into some sort of “modern Ulysses” and it has been painful to see my command decisions of those years so widely applauded, whereas the plain facts are that ninety-four of our crew met violent deaths during those years—and many of them would still be alive if I had acted either more quickly or more wisely. Nor have I been as foolishly courageous as depicted. I have never happily invited injury; I have disliked in the extreme every duty circumstance which has required me to risk my life. But there appears to be something in the nature of depicters of popular events which leads them into the habit of exaggeration. As a result, I became determined that if I ever again found myself involved in an affair attracting public attention, I would insist that some way be found to tell the story more accurately."
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Old March 28 2013, 05:23 PM   #134
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To me the TMP uniforms go along with the whole vibe of the movie so I think it works. (Not that everyone digs that vibe...)
I agree (I dig/dug that vibe).


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To me the TMP uniforms go along with the whole vibe of the movie so I think it works. (Not that everyone digs that vibe...)
I agree (I dig/dug that vibe).
As do I.
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