RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,135
Posts: 5,433,666
Members: 24,934
Currently online: 560
Newest member: Emperor Khaless

TrekToday headlines

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Yelchin In New Indie Thriller
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Saldana In The Book of Life
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Cracked’s New Sci-Fi Satire
By: T'Bonz on Oct 16


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > Enterprise

Enterprise The final frontier has a new beginning in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 27 2013, 03:16 AM   #46
teacock
Admiral
 
teacock's Avatar
 
Location: teacake
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Danger Ace wrote: View Post
FYI, this is why I respectfully contend that "Fans of Enterprise" (FOE) have no ability to discern or distinguish a "good" production from a "bad" production. They, IMO, will bark and clap for anything said to be set in the "Star Trek" Universe. They were willing accomplices in Berman & Braga's driving "Star Trek" into the ground and they should be ashamed! ASHAMED!
Oh I drove it into the ground all right with my FOE adoration, hell I did more than that I DROVE IT STRAIGHT INTO JJ'S ARMS.

And I feel no shame. No shame at all. Just a kind of damp fluttering as May approaches..
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacock is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 27 2013, 10:48 PM   #47
Danger Ace
Commander
 
Danger Ace's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
Pretty much, yeah. The Trek folks also wanted to do a show considerably different than the one that UPN and Paramount wanted.
Pretty much, no. That is all CYA excuse making. Don't demean yourself by being an apologist. Berman & Braga, being the top-dogs on "Enterprise" were responsible for its production and therefore the buck stops with them.

I say you are being an apologist because your arguement is not that "Enterprise" was a great and "top-notch" production worthy only of high praise, but rather admitting it was heavily flawed but just not their fault. It was Paramounts fault. It was UPN's fault. It was raining. It was a Wednesday. It was blah, blah, blah .... IT WAS THEIR RESPONSIBILTY. ITS FAILURE WAS THEIR FAILURE. Simple as that.

Enterprise was more entertaining than Trek had managed since around 1995 ...
For you, perhaps, but I would contend that relatively few others would agree. More folks watched DS9 and Voyager than "Enterprise" by a significant margin. I would even go so far as to say many here only pay lip service to holding Ent in high regard and are more interested in appearing counter-culture. My opinion.
__________________
Yours Truly,
Vic Falcone
Danger Ace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 02:54 AM   #48
Admiral Buzzkill
Fleet Admiral
 
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

teacake wrote: View Post
Oh I drove it into the ground all right with my FOE adoration, hell I did more than that I DROVE IT STRAIGHT INTO JJ'S ARMS.

And I feel no shame. No shame at all. Just a kind of damp fluttering as May approaches..


Is anyone taking the latest provocateur seriously?
Admiral Buzzkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 03:33 AM   #49
lurok
Commodore
 
lurok's Avatar
 
Location: Lost in the EU expanse with a nice cup of tea
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

No. Bored.
__________________
"Anál nathrach, orth’ bháis’s bethad, do chél dénmha"
lurok is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 06:28 AM   #50
teacock
Admiral
 
teacock's Avatar
 
Location: teacake
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Danger Ace wrote: View Post
Don't demean yourself by being an apologist.
Dude, that's like my fucking career!
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacock is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 06:36 AM   #51
Dr. Sevrin
Vice Admiral
 
Dr. Sevrin's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's grave
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

teacake wrote: View Post
Danger Ace wrote: View Post
Don't demean yourself by being an apologist.
Dude, that's like my fucking career!
You work in a Complaint Department? Now called Customer Service, I guess.
__________________
Dr. Sevrin is insane.
Dr. Sevrin is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 06:39 AM   #52
Dream
Admiral
 
Dream's Avatar
 
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Because of this...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SraxYPHW03A
Dream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 06:41 AM   #53
teacock
Admiral
 
teacock's Avatar
 
Location: teacake
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

I do NOT want to listen to that speech. Is that the Gazelle speech?

Don't make me press that little triangle Dream.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacock is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 06:46 AM   #54
teacock
Admiral
 
teacock's Avatar
 
Location: teacake
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Okay I watched it. It wasn't the gazelle speech.

I actually teared up a bit. Made me want to watch ENT again. Kind of had some Kirk moments there.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacock is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 07:49 AM   #55
Jar Jar Binks
Admiral
 
Jar Jar Binks's Avatar
 
Location: Skywalker
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Yeah, not sure what you were going for there, Dream. That was one of Archer's better speeches.
Jar Jar Binks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 02:36 PM   #56
Danger Ace
Commander
 
Danger Ace's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

teacake wrote: View Post
Danger Ace wrote: View Post
Don't demean yourself by being an apologist.
Dude, that's like my fucking career!
Oh.

So, so terribly sorry.

How embarrassing of me.

Well then.

Ahem!

I'm quite sure you are probably pretty good at it then. Please, by all means, carry-on.
__________________
Yours Truly,
Vic Falcone

Last edited by Danger Ace; March 28 2013 at 02:47 PM.
Danger Ace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 02:45 PM   #57
Danger Ace
Commander
 
Danger Ace's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
Is anyone taking the latest provocateur seriously?
Oh come off it. I have been absolutely plain about being somewhat over-the-topish in style while remaining valid and on-point in substance. So to quote the film "Stripes," "Lighten up, Francis."
__________________
Yours Truly,
Vic Falcone
Danger Ace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 05:45 PM   #58
Dr. Sevrin
Vice Admiral
 
Dr. Sevrin's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's grave
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Danger Ace wrote: View Post
. . .while remaining valid and on-point in substance. . .
Does that include your personal attacks, like suggesting a forum member drinks milk after the expiration date?
__________________
Dr. Sevrin is insane.
Dr. Sevrin is online now   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 09:16 PM   #59
Danger Ace
Commander
 
Danger Ace's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Melakon wrote: View Post
Does that include your personal attacks, like suggesting a forum member drinks milk after the expiration date?
No attack. A supposition within a quip. A gentle attempt to rationalize and understand why someone would seek to elevate "Enterprise" so far beyond and above its merits or defend its makers beyond all reason. No attack in that.
__________________
Yours Truly,
Vic Falcone
Danger Ace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 28 2013, 09:34 PM   #60
Dr. Sevrin
Vice Admiral
 
Dr. Sevrin's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's grave
Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

You really need to study how many corporations have a policy of saying "we're sorry if anyone was offended by what we said", rather than apologizing for what they actually said in the first place.
__________________
Dr. Sevrin is insane.
Dr. Sevrin is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:57 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.