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Old March 28 2013, 05:44 AM   #31
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Re: When did voyager go wrong?

It's a fictional tribe, they can pull anything out of their butt they like.
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Old March 28 2013, 06:16 AM   #32
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Re: When did voyager go wrong?

Voyager had some conceptual problems right from the start, and I really think they should've done what Berman wanted and wait until DS9 was done to do the show.

Other than that, the whole "Maquis should've been enemies longer" thing really isn't that much of a problem.

The problem with the Maquis was that the source of their conflict, the DMZ, was now 75 years away. The Maquis were the enemies of Cardassia, not the Federation, and whatever negative feelings they had for the Feds wasn't going to blind them to the fact that these were the only familiar folks around for decades. It wouldn't have been productive for the two crews to be that combative to one another the whole way through.

And even if they were, the tensions would've died down after 1-2 years. If they kept it up after that, then they had to have serious mental issues and they'd likely never get home.

What the show needed was another plot to drive the stories beyond "Going home" which could never be accomplished because...the show would be over.
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Old March 28 2013, 06:23 AM   #33
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The problem with the Maquis was that the source of their conflict, the DMZ, was now 75 years away. The Maquis were the enemies of Cardassia, not the Federation, and whatever negative feelings they had for the Feds wasn't going to blind them to the fact that these were the only familiar folks around for decades. It wouldn't have been productive for the two crews to be that combative to one another the whole way through.

And even if they were, the tensions would've died down after 1-2 years. If they kept it up after that, then they had to have serious mental issues and they'd likely never get home.
I could never fit into Starfleet. I would have been quite likely hostile to my forced absorption into the military had I been a Maquis member. I would have been one of the unseen folk scrubbing toilets and taking napes in the Jefferey's tube when I thought I could get away with it.

I'm thinking at least some of them must have rigged up a still.
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Old March 28 2013, 06:28 AM   #34
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Yeah, but that's not really conflicting with the Fleeter crew (who saved your lives when they didn't have to), that's just being a mild prick.
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Old March 28 2013, 06:28 AM   #35
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It's a fictional tribe, they can pull anything out of their butt they like.
I just wish they'd used a better name. Everytime he mentioned the Rubber Tree People it seemed unintentionally funny to me.
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Old March 28 2013, 06:43 AM   #36
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Woops there goes another rubber tree plant..

Yeah.
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Old March 28 2013, 07:56 AM   #37
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It's a fictional tribe, they can pull anything out of their butt they like.
Maybe. But I think only to a certain point. Many of his native "traits" were very derivative of stereotype and very Native-lite. So even if they drew bits from different tribes and what not, they could have tried harder is all I'm saying.
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Old March 28 2013, 08:10 AM   #38
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Yes that is why they should have pulled harder.
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Old March 28 2013, 08:45 AM   #39
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I don't know why someone always assumes that the maquis were forced to put on Starfleet uniforms. All we are told is that there was an agreement to run Voyager by Starfleet rules, and we see the maquis wearing uniforms. For all we know Chakotay and his crew "ask" to wear the uniforms and wear Starfleet provisional rank bars.
Just think if they had left Chakotay in civvies gear we could have had even more native american cliches.
The Maquis were forced to put those uniforms on by Chakotay.

It was an internal debate where he was the only person allowed to talk.

The only thing that would have made the Maquis stay in the DQ is if they found a lost Cardassian Colony, an entire world of Cardassians they could torment, sack, cull and blanch.

If they found a world with Millions of Cardassians in the Delta Quadrant, which they could empty Voyager's Phaser reserve into, there would be an instant mutiny.

They wanted to leave, Janeway needed crew, cost of admission on both fronts, she treats them fairly, then they don't cut her ears in her sleep.
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Old March 28 2013, 08:53 AM   #40
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So, if you blanch 'em do they go a brighter grey?
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Old March 28 2013, 10:05 AM   #41
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Then their skin falls off.
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Old March 28 2013, 10:11 AM   #42
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Well Cardassians are sort of reptilian, for all we know they might shed their skin every year like a snake.

Which reminds me of the time my dog found a snakeskin, thought it was alive, and barked at it for 2 minutes.
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Old March 28 2013, 10:13 AM   #43
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Kind of like the Maquis barking at the Cardassians when they were already doomed..
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Old March 28 2013, 10:22 AM   #44
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Well, he'd bark at anything he didn't understand until I showed him it was all right. Once he barked at a plastic bag stuck on a bush, another time he barked at a plastic bucket on its side in a carpark, and the topper was barking at a plastic Santa Claus figure in someone's yard.
Oddly, he never barked in the house after I once told him to shut up.
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Old March 28 2013, 10:25 AM   #45
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So if plastic Doctor Who aliens invaded your home to do bad things you'd have some warning.
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