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Old March 28 2013, 02:57 AM   #211
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

I like Red State more than Zack and Miri, Jersey Girl and that nougated rhino turd we know more commonly as Cop Out, but that's not really saying as much as it probably sounds like.
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Old March 28 2013, 04:18 AM   #212
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I actually liked Jersey Girl well enough. I never did understand why it got the thrashing it did...yeah yeah OK I realize some of it might have been to do with Bennifer at the time, but was that really enough to kill the movie?

I want to see Cop Out just based on Kevin's stories from his most recent Q&A special, but probably not enough to actually pay money for it.
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Old March 28 2013, 04:24 AM   #213
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I think Jersey Girl is great. It was a bid maudlin for typical Smith, but still a sweet story.

I also liked Cop Out. Yes. It was very cliche and obvious, but still a lot of fun. It was content with what it was.

Zack and Miri though, yuck. I went with friends, and I had this weird experience where I'd sort of "forgotten" it was a Smith film until Mewes showed up.
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Old March 28 2013, 04:25 AM   #214
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I do think Z & M and Jersey Girl are both much, much better than Cop Out for what it's worth. JG isn't awful, it was just a deep disappointment after Kevin's first five theatrical pictures and the Bennifer publicity didn't help the film. It does have a lot of heart and soul.

Cop Out is just a bit of a train wreck. It's not Kevin's directing, it's the story. The script is just a colossal, unfocused mess. It's the film that soured Kevin to Bruce Willis after many years of respecting and even loving the guy. Bruce was apparently very difficult and even kind of an asshole on the set and the experience was pretty disillusioning for Kevin.
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Old March 28 2013, 04:29 AM   #215
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I just watched his story about making Cop Out again today. For as honest as he comes off, you know he's gotta be holding back his real feelings about Willis.

Though I am curious why he didn't expect this going in, I mean he did work with Willis (albeit briefly) on Live Free or Die Hard, he had to have seen how Willis was treating Len Wiseman?
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Old March 28 2013, 04:43 AM   #216
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Red State is well made and darkly entertaining. It's definitely not a "Kevin Smith" film but it is good.

Cop Out is a fun shallow buddy cop movie. Nothing wrong with that.

Zack and Miri is pretty funny, but it's no Askewniverse.

Jersey Girl I had absolutely no interest in. I only saw it the once and I'm not interested in seeing it again. It's pretty much a straight up drama.
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Old March 28 2013, 04:48 AM   #217
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Yeah the main problem with "Cop Out" was the script, just horrid. You'd think it would be perfect for Kevin, and even he has stated that he enjoyed the first drafts of it and seemed up his alley...but for whatever reason the script is incredibly erratic and unfocused like cooleddie stated. I think just the whole process burnt out and stressed Kevin out.
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Old March 28 2013, 04:56 AM   #218
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I got the impression Zack and Miri was Smith trying to make an Apatow-style comedy because he saw how well they were doing. When it didn't hit big (for no reason in particular) he decided he simply didn't understand what people wanted any more and started doubting his own vision, which is what caused him to do things like announce his retirement, make Cop Out, publicly tell the critics to fuck off, and make Red State just to get it out of his system.
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Old March 28 2013, 05:03 AM   #219
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I'm from Washington state.
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Virginia. Also known as one of the places Dante and Emma would have driven through to reach Florida had they gotten married.
Interesting. We used to have discussions at work about weither Smith's humor was too "Jersey Centric" to play outside of the area as well.
Closest I've been to New Jersey is Tennessee. For most of life I've lived in California. Smith's humor is pretty universal though. If it wasn't his films wouldn't have the cult success they do. Not sure what's "Jersey-Centric" about the humor.
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Old March 28 2013, 05:06 AM   #220
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Sometimes I wonder if Smith feels he got the short end of the stick. When he closed the book on the View Askewniverse wtih "Strikes Back" I got the impression he was looking to become a serious filmmaker. Then Jersey Girl failed to do anything substantial. Then I saw on the Clerks II doco that he was offered the Green Hornet film, and you gotta wonder how his career would have been different had he done that film as well.

Now granted, I'm glad he didn't get that because we got Clerks II instead, but I just feel bad for the guy that his career never took off.
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Old March 28 2013, 05:20 AM   #221
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He also wrote a script treatment for the aborted Superman film that would have starred Nicolas Cage so he was getting offers to do "serious" work from several different corners of the industry in the wake of the first five Askewniverse films and JG.

He's said point blank that his heart was never in doing the Green Hornet project. As he himself stated in the Clerks 2 documentary: "If I wanted to make the fat cash I'd have fucking done Green Hornet." His heart and soul are in much smaller productions and it always shows.
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Old March 28 2013, 05:24 AM   #222
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Kevin's "Green Hornet" script has been turned into a comic, which is awesome. I think the first two arcs of it are based directly from the script...I wish it would have been made, because it's one of my favourite things from him ever. Mulan Kato (Kato's daughter) is one of my current favourite comic book characters.

I also dug Kevin's "Superman Lives" script.
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Old March 28 2013, 08:06 AM   #223
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I just watched his story about making Cop Out again today. For as honest as he comes off, you know he's gotta be holding back his real feelings about Willis.
There are two things I really respect about Kevin Smith:

1) He's probably the most honest person in Hollywood. Every time he has a camera in his face or a mic in his hand, he doesn't bullshit around.

and 2) Even though he is VERY honest, he also has respect for other people. Just listen to his podcast "Hollywood Babble-on". Every time Ralph is tearing somebody apart, Kevin usually has nothing to add, and he often makes fun of how angry Ralph gets.

I admit I don't know the guy personally, but he just comes off as very easy going. Not that he's a pushover or anything, because he has talked very publicly about his negative experiences directing Linda Fiorentino, Bruce Willis, Jeremy London, but he never goes too far. He knows when to pull back the reins.
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Old March 28 2013, 12:01 PM   #224
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I hadn't heard about Jeremy London, what was his malfunction?
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Old March 28 2013, 12:23 PM   #225
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I hadn't heard about Jeremy London, what was his malfunction?
He kept forgetting his lines, like all the time.
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