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Old March 28 2013, 12:50 AM   #16
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Re: When did voyager go wrong?

In terms of external threats, it would have been fine if Voyager remained episodic. After all, given their single-minded course, it makes sense that they would enter alien territory at the beginning of an episode and then leave it by the end. Internally, though, there's no reason the show didn't become more serialized. The vessel had a smaller crew than any previous Trek series, and yet we rarely got to know any of the characters outside of those in the main credits. (And even a few of them remained, or eventually became, ciphers.)

The Maquis/Starfleet tension quickly evaporated (as did later, Equinox/Voyager tension). This was replaced with a vague sense of the ship's crew becoming a "family," but this concept wasn't really developed, either, and given how little we knew the characters onboard the ship, often seemed false. It's hard to believe how unexplored the psychological consequences of being cut off from home (and cut off from much relaxation) were on the series. (Then again, despite some weak gestures about holodeck rations, the fact that the crew was small and getting smaller didn't seem to have an effect on the proceedings).

Most of the time, it was TNG with the names changed. This was fine, I suppose, but a waste of the initial premise.
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Old March 28 2013, 12:50 AM   #17
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Re: When did voyager go wrong?

I can't give an objective answer because I never did like VOY's "lost in space" premise from the start.
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Old March 28 2013, 01:13 AM   #18
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Re: When did voyager go wrong?

Over-reliance on the Holodeck.
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Old March 28 2013, 01:18 AM   #19
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VOY had the best premise of all the Trek shows, a ship alone on the other side of the galaxy, but it never lived up to its potential.
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Old March 28 2013, 02:47 AM   #20
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The Voyager and equinox people tension didnt evaporate, it was never the in the first place.


sighs had to say that.


PErsonally I'd have enjoyed seeing the "Year of hell" Story arc
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Old March 28 2013, 02:53 AM   #21
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The tension was there for exactly one scene, at the end of "Equinox, Part II."

But, pretty much.
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Old March 28 2013, 03:10 AM   #22
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If Ransom has been a Captain Longer than Janeway, which it seems obviously he has if you read Voyager as her first command (which is both ratified by the scripts and blow out of the water by other scripts) then he has seniority and Janeway doesn't have the authority to bring him up on charges without his permission.

Then you would ave had this extreme moment where Chuckles talks her into becoming a terrorist criminal to stop the genocide and punish these people for the genocide after the fact.
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Old March 28 2013, 03:15 AM   #23
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Re: When did voyager go wrong?

At least RDM got to fiddle-fix it later in BSG. But I guess even that has people who say 'Pegasus and Galactica crews got on together too quickly; Adama wouldn't have done that; whine, whine, kvetch...'
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Old March 28 2013, 04:10 AM   #24
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I don't know why someone always assumes that the maquis were forced to put on Starfleet uniforms. All we are told is that there was an agreement to run Voyager by Starfleet rules, and we see the maquis wearing uniforms. For all we know Chakotay and his crew "ask" to wear the uniforms and wear Starfleet provisional rank bars.
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Old March 28 2013, 04:29 AM   #25
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It's hard to picture Katie going after the Maquis people with a whip and a stack of Starfleet standard overalls.

Well, no it isn't. But that's a different matter.
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Old March 28 2013, 04:35 AM   #26
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They should have fought those bars. It's like how ranchers brand cattle. Everyone knows who is in Starfleet and who is in denial that Voyager is box car carrying them all to a new concentration camp in the Alpha Quadrant.
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Old March 28 2013, 05:18 AM   #27
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It went wrong when they decided to pair Seven with Chakotay. Until then, it was fine.
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Old March 28 2013, 05:39 AM   #28
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I don't know why someone always assumes that the maquis were forced to put on Starfleet uniforms. All we are told is that there was an agreement to run Voyager by Starfleet rules, and we see the maquis wearing uniforms. For all we know Chakotay and his crew "ask" to wear the uniforms and wear Starfleet provisional rank bars.
Just think if they had left Chakotay in civvies gear we could have had even more native american cliches.
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Just think if they had left Chakotay in civvies gear we could have had even more native american cliches.
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Old March 28 2013, 05:41 AM   #30
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Is that even possible?

If there's one thing I truly despise about Voyager, it's had poorly they depicted Chakoty's "culture."

They could have done a little research.
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