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Old March 27 2013, 03:16 AM   #46
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FYI, this is why I respectfully contend that "Fans of Enterprise" (FOE) have no ability to discern or distinguish a "good" production from a "bad" production. They, IMO, will bark and clap for anything said to be set in the "Star Trek" Universe. They were willing accomplices in Berman & Braga's driving "Star Trek" into the ground and they should be ashamed! ASHAMED!
Oh I drove it into the ground all right with my FOE adoration, hell I did more than that I DROVE IT STRAIGHT INTO JJ'S ARMS.

And I feel no shame. No shame at all. Just a kind of damp fluttering as May approaches..
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Old March 27 2013, 10:48 PM   #47
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Pretty much, yeah. The Trek folks also wanted to do a show considerably different than the one that UPN and Paramount wanted.
Pretty much, no. That is all CYA excuse making. Don't demean yourself by being an apologist. Berman & Braga, being the top-dogs on "Enterprise" were responsible for its production and therefore the buck stops with them.

I say you are being an apologist because your arguement is not that "Enterprise" was a great and "top-notch" production worthy only of high praise, but rather admitting it was heavily flawed but just not their fault. It was Paramounts fault. It was UPN's fault. It was raining. It was a Wednesday. It was blah, blah, blah .... IT WAS THEIR RESPONSIBILTY. ITS FAILURE WAS THEIR FAILURE. Simple as that.

Enterprise was more entertaining than Trek had managed since around 1995 ...
For you, perhaps, but I would contend that relatively few others would agree. More folks watched DS9 and Voyager than "Enterprise" by a significant margin. I would even go so far as to say many here only pay lip service to holding Ent in high regard and are more interested in appearing counter-culture. My opinion.
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Old March 28 2013, 02:54 AM   #48
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Oh I drove it into the ground all right with my FOE adoration, hell I did more than that I DROVE IT STRAIGHT INTO JJ'S ARMS.

And I feel no shame. No shame at all. Just a kind of damp fluttering as May approaches..


Is anyone taking the latest provocateur seriously?
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Old March 28 2013, 03:33 AM   #49
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No. Bored.
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Old March 28 2013, 06:28 AM   #50
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Don't demean yourself by being an apologist.
Dude, that's like my fucking career!
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Old March 28 2013, 06:36 AM   #51
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Don't demean yourself by being an apologist.
Dude, that's like my fucking career!
You work in a Complaint Department? Now called Customer Service, I guess.
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Old March 28 2013, 06:39 AM   #52
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Because of this...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SraxYPHW03A
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Old March 28 2013, 06:41 AM   #53
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I do NOT want to listen to that speech. Is that the Gazelle speech?

Don't make me press that little triangle Dream.
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Old March 28 2013, 06:46 AM   #54
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Okay I watched it. It wasn't the gazelle speech.

I actually teared up a bit. Made me want to watch ENT again. Kind of had some Kirk moments there.
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Old March 28 2013, 07:49 AM   #55
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Yeah, not sure what you were going for there, Dream. That was one of Archer's better speeches.
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Old March 28 2013, 02:36 PM   #56
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Don't demean yourself by being an apologist.
Dude, that's like my fucking career!
Oh.

So, so terribly sorry.

How embarrassing of me.

Well then.

Ahem!

I'm quite sure you are probably pretty good at it then. Please, by all means, carry-on.
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Old March 28 2013, 02:45 PM   #57
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Is anyone taking the latest provocateur seriously?
Oh come off it. I have been absolutely plain about being somewhat over-the-topish in style while remaining valid and on-point in substance. So to quote the film "Stripes," "Lighten up, Francis."
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Old March 28 2013, 05:45 PM   #58
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. . .while remaining valid and on-point in substance. . .
Does that include your personal attacks, like suggesting a forum member drinks milk after the expiration date?
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Old March 28 2013, 09:16 PM   #59
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Does that include your personal attacks, like suggesting a forum member drinks milk after the expiration date?
No attack. A supposition within a quip. A gentle attempt to rationalize and understand why someone would seek to elevate "Enterprise" so far beyond and above its merits or defend its makers beyond all reason. No attack in that.
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Old March 28 2013, 09:34 PM   #60
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You really need to study how many corporations have a policy of saying "we're sorry if anyone was offended by what we said", rather than apologizing for what they actually said in the first place.
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