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View Poll Results: Rate Devil's Bargain.
Outstanding 7 13.46%
Above Average 17 32.69%
Average 14 26.92%
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Old March 27 2013, 07:14 PM   #61
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Re: TOS: Devil's Bargain by Tony Daniel Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Yes this book feels like a season 4 Tos Tv show. That's one of the reasons I liked this novel. Yesterday I listened to the Literary Treks podcast interview with Tony Daniel. I really enjoyed the discussion of How Tony wrote this book like the 1960's tv show.
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Old March 27 2013, 08:54 PM   #62
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Yes this book feels like a season 4 Tos Tv show. That's one of the reasons I liked this novel. Yesterday I listened to the Literary Treks podcast interview with Tony Daniel. I really enjoyed the discussion of How Tony wrote this book like the 1960's tv show.
I think it is so smart to write as if you are in the 60's, made the story feel like TOS
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Old March 30 2013, 03:00 PM   #63
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Just finished this one and I hope that Tony Daniel picks up some more work. I am currently rewatching TOS and with this book, it really did feel like I was carrying right on after season three. It was fast paced, like an episode, and the dialogue sounded familiar and right. I liked the references back to previous adventures. The only issue I had is only one line of dialogue that I didn't like; "Follow me, Officers.", when Spock is directing his subbordinates to follow him over the backs of the Hortas. A small thing, I think, but even now, it doesn't sit right with me. That said, I won't hesitate to pick up another of Daniel's Trek books if we see another on the shelves.
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Old March 30 2013, 04:39 PM   #64
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Just finished this one and I hope that Tony Daniel picks up some more work. I am currently rewatching TOS and with this book, it really did feel like I was carrying right on after season three. It was fast paced, like an episode, and the dialogue sounded familiar and right. I liked the references back to previous adventures. The only issue I had is only one line of dialogue that I didn't like; "Follow me, Officers.", when Spock is directing his subbordinates to follow him over the backs of the Hortas. A small thing, I think, but even now, it doesn't sit right with me. That said, I won't hesitate to pick up another of Daniel's Trek books if we see another on the shelves.
Ditto I'd liked the fact Tony mentioned previous tv episodes in Devil's baragainI really enjoyed reading this book. and I'd like to see him write another Tos novel too.
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Old March 31 2013, 05:08 AM   #65
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Well, I don't mind him writing another Trek book as long as it's categorized as "Young Adult" or something along those lines because at least then I know what level of readership to expect.

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Old April 1 2013, 03:43 AM   #66
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Could hardly put it down, in spite of the fact that I've been up since 0-dark-thirty, attending a 2-hour Episcopalian Easter Vigil, followed immediately by Methodist and ELCA Lutheran services, and probably could have used a nap.

It has the usual excess verbage establishing characters that are already familiar (it strikes me as an all-too-common affliction among writers already experienced writing in milieux of their own design; probably a matter of having to suppress a writer's natural instinct), but all in all, it moves very quickly, and the only other real fault I found was that the Acknowledgments telegraphed
(when a new author is involved, some of us do take a look at the Acknowledgments and the About-the-Author very early on).

I am curious, though, given that
how does this fit into continuity?
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Old April 1 2013, 04:07 AM   #67
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^Duane's books are not part of the modern continuity, since they were written before TNG and heavily contradicted by what the later shows established. For that matter, a lot of the TOS novels we've gotten in the past few years have been very standalone, and I'm not sure there's necessarily any intention for them to be tied into any larger continuity beyond the canon itself.

However, I've heard people propose that "Slider Dan" could be a nickname for Naraht.
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Old April 1 2013, 06:54 AM   #68
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I noticed more than a few in-jokes. (One of the more subtle ones was Kirk's reference to Canadians, given that Shatner is Canadian.) On the one hand, I found them riotously funny, but on the other hand, they do throw one out of the story, even if only momentarily.

Granted that Diane Duane's works do require a shoehorn, a large mallet, and copious amounts of axle grease to fit them into modern continuity. But on the other hand, I find them to be among the very best ST prose ever written, and Naraht has shown up in other authors' novels.

One thing about Naraht: when I looked him up on Memory Beta, I found given names attached to him that I never saw before. Whence came they?
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Old April 1 2013, 04:31 PM   #69
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hbquikcomjamesl wrote: View Post
Granted that Diane Duane's works do require a shoehorn, a large mallet, and copious amounts of axle grease to fit them into modern continuity. But on the other hand, I find them to be among the very best ST prose ever written, and Naraht has shown up in other authors' novels.
I realized long ago that quality and continuity are two entirely separate issues. A story doesn't need to fit with other stories to be an enjoyable reading experience. And indeed, I came to realize that the more I tried to mentally edit or homogenize books like Duane's to force them to fit the continuity, the more I stripped them of their unique flavor and tone, to the point that it actually undermined my enjoyment of them. Duane's version of Trek is so enjoyable precisely because it isn't like the conventional version, because it has its own unique elements that come from her specific vision and style. So I found I could enjoy the books more once I stopped trying to force them to fit together and just let them be their own separate interpretations.


One thing about Naraht: when I looked him up on Memory Beta, I found given names attached to him that I never saw before. Whence came they?
His full name was given as Dahai Iohor Naraht in the computer game The Kobayashi Alternative, written by Duane. The Mem Beta article misspells the middle name as Lohor, and I've just asked them to change it (I don't know how to edit article titles).
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Old April 1 2013, 06:28 PM   #70
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Did the whole issue of
remind anybody else of Vonda's character, "Jenniver Aristeides," from The Entropy Effect?
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Old April 1 2013, 06:33 PM   #71
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I was more reminded of the Sycorax colony of genetically engineered humans from Greg's The Eugenics Wars novels, or the Paragon colony from TNG: "The Masterpiece Society," or the Hera colony from the novel Infiltrator. After all, The Entropy Effect was written long before the idea of prejudice against genetic engineering was incorporated into Trek canon, so that stigma didn't exist for Jenniver. (She had other identity/self-esteem issues, but not that one.)
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Old April 2 2013, 09:03 AM   #72
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Just finished the book yesterday. It was a decent story that had a fourth season episode feel. I'd like to read another ST book by Tony Daniel in the future.
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Old April 2 2013, 09:44 PM   #73
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I saw one other connection to The Entropy Effect: the banned military nanotechnology immediately struck me as a more general case of Vonda's banned "spiderweb."

The remarkable thing about my spotting the connections (intended or otherwise) is that it's probably been about a quarter century since the last time I read The Entropy Effect.
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Old April 3 2013, 09:29 PM   #74
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I saw one other connection to The Entropy Effect: the banned military nanotechnology immediately struck me as a more general case of Vonda's banned "spiderweb."

The remarkable thing about my spotting the connections (intended or otherwise) is that it's probably been about a quarter century since the last time I read The Entropy Effect.

That is remarkable! I only read it probably less than two decades ago, and I don't remember that!
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Old April 3 2013, 11:24 PM   #75
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And yet there are other works of ST prose that I completely forget within a few weeks of reading them. Along with a few (like that period, near the end of the Bantam era, when literally every other book was a variation on the "Kirk & company poke their nose into a primitive society that turns out to be a superbeing's plaything" theme) that I wish I could forget completely.

<off-topic digression>Speaking of forgotten books, I have this vague memory of a scene involving a graphic description of a Klingon mind-sifter, involving (among other things) heavy leather restraint straps. Anybody have a clue what I could be half-remembering?</off-topic digression>
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