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Old March 27 2013, 11:36 AM   #31
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Re: So why exactly is AVP1 so bad?

I think there's quite a few here who like/prefer Alien 3 extended/director's cut. Rather watch that than Resurrection anyday (though even that has a few good moments)
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Old March 27 2013, 11:41 AM   #32
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Re: So why exactly is AVP1 so bad?

The problem with AVP is the premise. It was a terrible idea and the movie proved that it was a terrible idea.
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Old March 27 2013, 11:54 AM   #33
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Add me into the pro Alien 3 camp, so much better than Ressurection.
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Old March 27 2013, 12:11 PM   #34
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The problem with AVP is the premise. It was a terrible idea and the movie proved that it was a terrible idea.


Not sure anything can top that.
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Old March 27 2013, 12:53 PM   #35
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The problem with AVP is the premise. It was a terrible idea and the movie proved that it was a terrible idea.
I think the execution has been more of a problem than the premise. I, for one, would gladly watch a National Geographic documentary style AVP miniseries.
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Old March 27 2013, 01:25 PM   #36
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The problem with AVP is the premise. It was a terrible idea and the movie proved that it was a terrible idea.
I've never seen it - life's too short - but while I think the core matchup idea has some potential, I definitely think the Earth setting and historical backstory was a mistake. Xenos on Earth should be the ultimate terror to be resisted, not backstory.
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Old March 27 2013, 02:11 PM   #37
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With all due respect Tiberius, you asked why people take issue with the movie. Replying to their grievances by dismissing them doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. We're talking about opinions here, and you're getting them.

Now if you're asking why it might bother people here but not in other cases, that's a different matter, but that's not how you came across IMO.
Sorry if my posts came across the wrong way.

I hear what you're saying, but I think that the vast majority of criticisms being leveled against AVP1 are too harsh, and I'm just saying why. That's all.
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Old March 27 2013, 02:22 PM   #38
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LA’s major flaw is the cgi, which on the whole I’m quite forgiving of. I think the timing of it didn’t help either.
Nah, its major flaw is that it feels more like a remake of EFNY than a sequel to EFNY. Sure, it veers off into some different directions here and there, but there's a clear shared similarity in both plot structure and character archetypes (both in and outside the city), but while none of it is really bad, it just makes it really obvious when watching how much better the direction, atmosphere, actors playing those archetypes, and even Russell was in the other flick because it's so similar. I can't help but watch and feel, "This was better the first time I saw it."
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Old March 27 2013, 02:37 PM   #39
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Re: So why exactly is AVP1 so bad?

The Aliens were nerfed.
The Predators were nerfed.
The humans had no charisma (even Lance Henriksen, way to go, Paul What Script Anderson!!!)
The Aliens matured too quickly,
The setting was dumb, the story had no direction.
NO FUCKING GORY PARTS!!!
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Old March 27 2013, 03:52 PM   #40
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Re: So why exactly is AVP1 so bad?

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With all due respect Tiberius, you asked why people take issue with the movie. Replying to their grievances by dismissing them doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. We're talking about opinions here, and you're getting them.

Now if you're asking why it might bother people here but not in other cases, that's a different matter, but that's not how you came across IMO.
Sorry if my posts came across the wrong way.

I hear what you're saying, but I think that the vast majority of criticisms being leveled against AVP1 are too harsh, and I'm just saying why. That's all.
Fair enough. Thank you for clarifying your position.

I find Event Horizon entertaining as a guilty pleasure flick, and it's quite a shock to see Sam Neill in that movie after he played the friendly paleontologist in Jurassic Park, but you won't find me calling it great cinema. I have to wonder why on Earth humans would design a spaceship that looked like that, though I still want the engine core as a desk model. The commentary's an interesting listen if you're inclined toward such things. I haven't checked out most of the other features on the DVD because, frankly, I'm not really keen on gore and I'm not sure how much I'd be grossed out.
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Old March 27 2013, 03:58 PM   #41
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I don't remember which one it was either AVP 1 or 2 but the scenes were so dark that I couldn't see what was going on half the time!
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Old March 27 2013, 04:23 PM   #42
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That's the second one!
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Old March 27 2013, 04:37 PM   #43
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I actually enjoy this film. It's the sequel that's a bit lacking.

Still, I'd like to have a third AvP film as this series was setting up the the ties of the Weyland-Yutani merger. Which literally that last moment in AvP:R makes a lot of the other rushed moments in the film forgivable. I don't even think AvP:R is a horrid film it's just in the list of Prometheus-Alien films-Predator films and AvP films this would rank near if not a the bottom of the 10 film saga to date. Something has to be last and it's the best candidate imo.
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Old March 27 2013, 05:05 PM   #44
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Most people wouldn't consider the AVP films part of the Alien franchise.
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Old March 27 2013, 05:14 PM   #45
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That's the second one!
Thanks for the confirmation!
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