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Old March 25 2013, 01:50 PM   #151
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Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas

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If there was one idea that really hit me wrong in TMP, it was the whole "V'ger" naming thing. I mean, c'mon... the lettering on the side of the probe had carbon deposits masking out "oya", and so the probe ends up calling itself "V'ger"? I mean, how ridiculous is that? I don't care how you want to fan wank it, the idea was wrong. The memory circuits don't coincidentally get corrupt to match the lettering on the craft.

What they should have done was when opening the access panel, they see the name "VOYAGER" and registry number imprinted on the interior. Then they conclude that a data error resulted in corrupt memory of some core information, hence V'ger not knowing its original name correctly. That would've made more sense to me.
Reminds me of the old comment everyone makes, V'Ger has knowledge that spans the universe but it doesn't know how to wipe dirt off its own nameplate.
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Old March 25 2013, 01:56 PM   #152
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V'ger = advanced enough to create an android replica of Illia, to digitize entire solar systems and to brush off Klingon attacks like they're nothing.

V'ger = too stupid to wipe the muck off it's name plate.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Wormhole

Early drafts of the story (back when it was the Phase II pilot episode) called it N'sa.
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Old March 25 2013, 01:58 PM   #153
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Early drafts of the story (back when it was the Phase II pilot episode) called it N'sa.
There's no way to pronounce that without giving the twist away.
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Old March 26 2013, 01:25 AM   #154
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Should have gone with "N'md"
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Old March 26 2013, 02:48 AM   #155
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More like N'm'd. Though damned if I know how that's pronounced.
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Old March 26 2013, 12:03 PM   #156
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Did anyone mention children on a starship? I was 11 years old when TNG premiered and even I could see it as a blatant attempt to get kids my age to tune in. Things like that snap the already fragile reality of sci-fi shows.
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Old March 26 2013, 02:27 PM   #157
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The bridge of TNG Enterprise looking like a hotel lobby.
Lets just put all these vital stations at the back were nobody can see them.
BORING!
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Old March 26 2013, 05:51 PM   #158
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Roddenberry's worst ideas? Pretty much all of his shows including, to a lesser degree Star Trek. His best idea was to bering in people Coon, Fontana and Jeffries. They are responsible for the best of Trek. Roddenberry could be good in the big ideas but his implementation of the details was usually pretty weak and often laughable. Given a choice of only watching the Non-Roddennberry episodes or the Roddenberry ones I'll take Coon/Fontana/almost anyone else over Gene's.
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Old March 26 2013, 06:18 PM   #159
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Did anyone mention children on a starship? I was 11 years old when TNG premiered and even I could see it as a blatant attempt to get kids my age to tune in.
Brings to mind one of my prime complaints about Wesley.

Teens like to see people on shows who are popular, certainly within their own peer group. Wesley was largely shown to be isolated from his age group (we saw him among his peers once in ten forward). Wesley wanted to hang out with the ship's older officers.

As a draw for watchers in their mid teens through early twenties, Wesley was useless. Showing him as being "The In Guy,", even on just a few episodes, would have made him a lot more interesting to younger viewers.

Give him Trip's personality.

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Roddenberry's worst ideas? Pretty much all of his shows including, to a lesser degree Star Trek. His best idea was to bering in people Coon, Fontana and Jeffries. They are responsible for the best of Trek. Roddenberry could be good in the big ideas but his implementation of the details was usually pretty weak and often laughable. Given a choice of only watching the Non-Roddennberry episodes or the Roddenberry ones I'll take Coon/Fontana/almost anyone else over Gene's.
I am the opposite: The 1st half of S1 is moodier; more like sci-fi shows set in Star Trek, rather than just-another-Trek episode as many became later; more wordsy (I like); featuring more crew going about crew life.

It got too cheerful, almost sappy, as Uhura/Sulu/Checkov got standardized as the-only-other-crewmen-of-note. And the universe got more civilized and starfleetized. YMMV
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Old March 26 2013, 10:25 PM   #161
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Also (although since Roddenberry left by Year Three he cannot be directly blamed) by the final season the writing was so stagnant 90 percent of all landing parties were only KirkSpockandMcCoy. They even stopped bringing along the cannon fodder security. So there was much less suspense left. And Scott, Uhura, Chekov and Sulu had less to do than in Year Two.
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Old March 26 2013, 10:38 PM   #162
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The bridge of TNG Enterprise looking like a hotel lobby.
Lets just put all these vital stations at the back were nobody can see them.
BORING!
Not to mention they made it impossible for Picard to have line of sight on anything not directly in front of him in the chair.
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Old March 27 2013, 04:39 AM   #163
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Roddenberry's worst ideas? Pretty much all of his shows including, to a lesser degree Star Trek. His best idea was to bering in people Coon, Fontana and Jeffries. They are responsible for the best of Trek. Roddenberry could be good in the big ideas but his implementation of the details was usually pretty weak and often laughable. Given a choice of only watching the Non-Roddennberry episodes or the Roddenberry ones I'll take Coon/Fontana/almost anyone else over Gene's.
I am the opposite: The 1st half of S1 is moodier; more like sci-fi shows set in Star Trek, rather than just-another-Trek episode as many became later; more wordsy (I like); featuring more crew going about crew life.

It got too cheerful, almost sappy, as Uhura/Sulu/Checkov got standardized as the-only-other-crewmen-of-note. And the universe got more civilized and starfleetized. YMMV
I agree that it would have been better if we had a larger supporting cast. MASH is a good example of having background characters that can step into the spotlight for an episode or two each season. Rizzo, for example had some nice bits in a few episodes but he was never considered a major or even minor regular character, It would have been nice to see more of Kyle for example or Dr. M'Benga. Chekov and Sulu, being on the command track should have been leading a number of landing parties rather than simply tagging along with Kirk & Spock.

When Roddenberry was given the chance to submit a second pilot his story ideas were The Moega Glory and Mudd's Women. Not Trek's worst moment but neither set the tone as well as Peeple's Where No Mas Has Gone Before. Roddenberry was best at the broad strokes. Most other writers were better at telling compelling stories.
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Old March 27 2013, 05:59 PM   #164
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The music in TNG and all the subsequent Trek shows is the aural equivalent of wallpaper.
I would agree, except I would qualify it as TNG season 4 and later. TNG seasons 1-3 had some pretty darn good music. When Dennis McCarthy was let off the leash, he could write some very good music. And Ron Jones was excellent as well. I really like the season 1 music, which is far more melodic and makes uses of recurring themes and motifs, including the main title theme. And then, of course, Ron Jones' score to "The Best of Both Worlds" is outstanding. Even early season 4 has some good scores, such as Jones' score for "Booby Trap."

It was only around early- to mid-season 4 when they canned Jones and put McCarthy under tight restrictions that we ended up with sonic wallpaper.
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Old March 27 2013, 06:16 PM   #165
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The bridge of TNG Enterprise looking like a hotel lobby.
Lets just put all these vital stations at the back were nobody can see them.
BORING!
Not to mention they made it impossible for Picard to have line of sight on anything not directly in front of him in the chair.

There should always only be one chair in the center of the bridge, and it should swivel. It's iconic. The Enterprise-D and most other TNG shows broke that rule, which was bad.
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