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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old March 26 2013, 03:35 AM   #1
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My Review of Insurrection

The first TNG movie not written by Braga and Moore but scribed by the series' former executive producer Michael Piller, the man who took over in the third season and saved the show.

Insurrection is the re-write of his original screenplay. The original premise was essentially Star Trek: Apocalypse Now in which Data goes crazy (par for the course) but sets himself up as the leader of the Baku and Picard is sent to destroy him and does actually succeed in killing him, but then a whole conspiracy is revealed and it finds Picard and crew actually rebelling against the entire Federation and Starfleet and not just Admiral Doherty and the Son'a. It had the potential to being the darkest, grittiest Trek movie ever, but Patrick Steward (executive Producer Patrick Stewart that is) got wind of it, hated it and said, "let's do funny." Because, it worked so well in Stark Trek 5, right?

Taking place in the latter half of the DS9's 7th season, they don't even try that hard to expalin Worf's presence, just a brief off-screen remark that he was at the Manzar Colony. Since you guys are going to be watching DS9 the events that were taking place at this time in Trek history and for Worf in particular, will make you realize why the fans of DS9 cried foul at his just "appearing there" because it was a TNG movie. on DS9, the Federation was fighting a 2 year-long war against the Dominion and Worf's wife had just been murdered by a Cardassian. Not the best time to give him Klingon puberty

So Data can now remove his emotion chip? What, did Brent Spiner get tired of having emotions? He seems to be Season One Data again, learning to play tag in the wheat fields with little boys.

Once again we see Riker's combat skills at work. Let's give a brief rundown of Riker's tactical abilities. In

In Rascals he let two salvaged Klingon birds of prey, crewed by a bunch of Ferengi, cripple and capture the Enterprise. The man fired one shot! A “point seven-five burst” to “get their attention.” In Generations the Duras sisters got a hold of the Enterprise’s shield frequencies and started firing madly, Riker again, fired one phaser shot and then came up with some technological solution to getting the Klingon’s shields down. Here he fires a couple of torpedoes then essentially throws gasoline on the Son'a and lights them on fire.

The Son'a. What a waste of F. Murray Abraham. if you look at the special features or read any of the behind the scenes stuff, you'll find Rick Berman constantly trying to find a new Kahn for a villian. Let's face it, there was no one that can duplicate what Montalban did with Kahn, so you really need to stop trying to come up with Trek's "ultimate villian." JJ Abrams realized this when he had a Romulan truck driver become the villian in last year’s movie.

At its core it really was a Trek tale, following the Prime Directive and so forth. But it was a glorified episode with “wacky” moments with firm boobs, flotation devices, Klingon pimples, Riker shaving, Picard doing the MAMBO and a CGI little chipmunk created to pre-empt Jar Jar Binks and as annoying CGI in the late 90’s.

But it did have its moments. The crew standing together with Picard to save the Baku, Geordi seeing a sunrise and Riker and Deanna finally getting together.

But the whole movie collapsed with this one scene:

“Mister Worf, do you know Gilbert and Sullivan?”

“No, sir, I have not had a chance to meet all of the new crewmembers since I’ve been back.”

Queue the bouncing ball lyrics. Who would’ve thought that Data could be incapacitated the same way Sideshow Bob was?
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Old March 26 2013, 10:21 AM   #2
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Re: My Review of Insurrection

James T. Vader wrote: View Post
But the whole movie collapsed with this one scene:

“Mister Worf, do you know Gilbert and Sullivan?”

“No, sir, I have not had a chance to meet all of the new crewmembers since I’ve been back.”

Queue the bouncing ball lyrics. Who would’ve thought that Data could be incapacitated the same way Sideshow Bob was?
The only part of the movie that I actually enjoyed.
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Old March 26 2013, 10:34 AM   #3
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Re: My Review of Insurrection

It's the last Star Trek film to resemble Star Trek and for that I'll praise it fondly. It should have been much, much better but I'd rate it as a solid extended TNG episode.
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Old March 26 2013, 05:35 PM   #4
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the second-worst of the entire Trek film series. A poor premise executed even more poorly. Lame humor, and a group(the Baku) introduced solely for this film that we don't care about and never see again. And yet, we seem to get more threads on INS than a lot of the other Trek films.
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Old March 26 2013, 05:38 PM   #5
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I may catch hell for this, but it is one of my favorite TNG movies.
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Old March 26 2013, 05:57 PM   #6
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I may catch hell for this, but it is one of my favorite TNG movies.
It's a flawed but highly enjoyable film. I'd take it over the mediocrity of Nemesis or the flat out unwatchable Generations any day.

Hell, I'd place First Contact and Insurrection over most of the Star Trek movies.
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Old March 26 2013, 06:53 PM   #7
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It's the last Star Trek film to resemble Star Trek
What does that even mean?
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Old March 26 2013, 07:03 PM   #8
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It's the last Star Trek film to resemble Star Trek
What does that even mean?
That's just the way he talks. DalekJim never says he likes anything without saying he hates something else.
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Old March 26 2013, 07:04 PM   #9
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It's the last Star Trek film to resemble Star Trek
What does that even mean?
The last one that was a chore to watch?

Honestly, I think Insurrection is a steaming pile of shit and would rather watch Nemesis, Generations or The Final Frontier any day of the week.
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Old March 26 2013, 08:07 PM   #10
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It's the last Star Trek film to resemble Star Trek
What does that even mean?
It means that Insurrection reminded me of the Star Trek TV series when Nemesis and the Abrams reboot didn't. I'm sorry if my opinion on this sci-fi film franchise upsets you.

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Honestly, I think Insurrection is a steaming pile of shit and would rather watch Nemesis, Generations or The Final Frontier any day of the week.
I enjoy The Final Frontier but Insurrection is better paced. Hell, TFF doesn't even have a pace .
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Old March 27 2013, 02:12 AM   #11
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It means that Insurrection reminded me of the Star Trek TV series when Nemesis and the Abrams reboot didn't.
We reach.
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Old March 27 2013, 04:28 AM   #12
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INS has an appeal for some Trekkies, but it's a very dull and boring film to the vast majority of people in the mainstream audience. It was a bloated TV episode and completely innappropriate as a big screen movie. It's a crap as a movie, just crappy in a different way from the way NEM was crap. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and these are mine. I totally get many Trekkies have an air of incredible elitisim to them where they hold generally poorly recieved Trek films in high regard, i.e., TMP, INS and NEM. Almost implying that most others that despise these films are void of a proper artistic palate and that perhaps stuff like The Motion Picture or Insurrection are too artsy for some Trekkies. Again, my opinion they are failed Trek movies. Trek movies have a cult following, but the critically failed movies(TMP, INS, NEM) have their own cult following within that cult amongst some Trekkies.

With INS I believe resetting many of these characters back to Season 1 of TNG, i.e. the innocent Data and the Riker/Troi romance just seemed unimaginative. Ru'afo was another madman on some mystical quest like Soran or Sybok instead of a legitmate threat. The special effects looked cheap, and were the worst since Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

I do remember back in 1998 reading about how INS was supposed to be some dark story that resembeled a heart of darkness, Apocalpyse Now premise, but the end product was far from it. All we got were a bunch of hippie White Anglo-Saxon "aliens" living technology free in SoCal (another planet) while Picard and the Federation get into a preachy debate about the ethics of rellocating these people which just isn't deep enough for a feature movie.

It's OK as a TNG two-parter TV episode though. But the fact that Galaxy Quest came out the next year in 1999 with far better looking aliens from Stan Winston, a better overall story, more natural humour and even mocked the "timer countdown" while the captain gets into a fist fight didn't help at all.

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Old March 27 2013, 11:24 AM   #13
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I really enjoy The Motion Picture, The Final Frontier and Insurrection whenever I watch them. It isn't an elitist thing, it's an emotional reaction I can't help. Mainstream critics' opinions don't really matter to me as they never really understood Star Trek anyway.
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Old March 27 2013, 11:30 AM   #14
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I've always liked TFF for reasons that I can't easily define. It's like putting on an episode of TOS. A third season episode of TOS, but an episode of TOS all the same.

Insurrection and Nemesis, not so much. I can see how Insurrection arguably feels the most like TNG as we knew it from TV, but there's still... something 'off' about it which I don't like. Maybe I'll just never be able to completely accept TNG as movies. It was such a class act on TV that everything they did in cinema paled in comparison. Even the much lauded First Contact.
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Old March 27 2013, 11:40 AM   #15
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TMP and TFF love for different reasons. INS not so much; but as I endlessly say (in my best repeat-loop moment) watching it with the Frakes-Sirtis commentary makes it so much more bearable
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