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Old March 26 2013, 04:58 AM   #151
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Re: So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager

OMG KILL ME NOW

(I wasn't talking about Beltran, LOLOL)
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Old March 26 2013, 05:04 AM   #152
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OMG KILL ME NOW

(I wasn't talking about Beltran, LOLOL)
HAHAHA.

Wait...you mean you DON'T want to see this hot piece of Chakotay pie naked?



Dude didn't age well. I thought he was good looking on Voyager though...but now...not so much.

Wait so who were you talking about???
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Old March 26 2013, 05:06 AM   #153
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The two hottest people on VOY needed to end up in bed.
Neelix/Samantha Wildman?
Janeway/Seven?
Seven/Neelix?
Harry/Rosie Palm and her five daughters?
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Old March 26 2013, 05:40 AM   #154
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There was a time when even I was a bit of a J/Cer. In fact, it's about the only time I ever gave two flapjacks about a relationship on any show.

I remember watching "Resolutions" for the first time and how excited I was. I actually thought that Star Trek was finally going to give some relationship payback. I should've known better. I was so sad.
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Old March 26 2013, 05:55 AM   #155
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There was a time when even I was a bit of a J/Cer. In fact, it's about the only time I ever gave two flapjacks about a relationship on any show.

I remember watching "Resolutions" for the first time and how excited I was. I actually thought that Star Trek was finally going to give some relationship payback. I should've known better. I was so sad.
The first time I saw "Resolutions" I just kept thinking "DO IT ALREADY!".

Then after that I really started to like J/C. "Resolutions" could have been done so much better. They missed a good opportunity there.
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Old March 26 2013, 06:20 AM   #156
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Trek as always falls when it comes to relationships. I honestly think it's the franchises single biggest drawback and something that makes it inaccessible to a lot of people. It's just way too conservative with the honey-snuggles.

Even when it did dare throw a relationship at you, it was like something out of a 50s stereotype.

When you get right down to it Tom and B'Elanna or Worf and Jadzia, for example, were both basically just Ward and June ... with ridges.

And really large cutlery.
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Old March 26 2013, 06:45 AM   #157
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The two hottest people on VOY needed to end up in bed.
Neelix/Samantha Wildman?
Janeway/Seven?
Seven/Neelix?
Harry/Rosie Palm and her five daughters?
Hey Melakon, nice to see you here again!

Janeway and 7 of course

But apparently final frontiers are only about the edge of the galaxy. As I said, so far behind.
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Old March 26 2013, 06:51 AM   #158
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Trek as always falls when it comes to relationships. I honestly think it's the franchises single biggest drawback and something that makes it inaccessible to a lot of people. It's just way too conservative with the honey-snuggles.

Even when it did dare throw a relationship at you, it was like something out of a 50s stereotype.

When you get right down to it Tom and B'Elanna or Worf and Jadzia, for example, were both basically just Ward and June ... with ridges.

And really large cutlery.
It was never going to be a drama about relationships, I (kinda) accept that. DS9 had lots of marriages and relationships so they did try there, which was more realistic as far as actual quantity.

Really I'm just bitching about how sexless Trek is. Some other time when I was bitching about this someone piped up listing all the times people on Trek had apparently gotten it on thanks to wedding rings or offspring or whatever but that is not at all what I meant. It's not about the math, it's about the lack of ever showing a charged atmosphere, the lack of real people with real needs and whims in the matter of relationships sexual and otherwise.
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Old March 26 2013, 08:03 AM   #159
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Really I'm just bitching about how sexless Trek is. Some other time when I was bitching about this someone piped up listing all the times people on Trek had apparently gotten it on thanks to wedding rings or offspring or whatever but that is not at all what I meant. It's not about the math, it's about the lack of ever showing a charged atmosphere, the lack of real people with real needs and whims in the matter of relationships sexual and otherwise.
But that's exactly what I was talking about. There was never any real interpersonal drama. It was a "Mommy and Daddy got married, and here comes the stark!" attitude. Just like the 50s.
Even the one-off episode ships always seemed to end on a high-note. They didn't work because of some contrived plot device where the character involved just slaps his knee with an "Oh gosh! Maybe next time."

It was almost comical in a way.
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Old March 26 2013, 08:05 AM   #160
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Not sure if your "but" means you thought I was disagreeing with you-- I wasn't. I was just adding more bitching
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Old March 26 2013, 08:10 AM   #161
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Okay then. Please continue.

Your bitching is one of the things I like most about you.

Also, your hands.
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Old March 26 2013, 09:03 AM   #162
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Now I feel guilt. I'm not supposed to be bitching about VOY, my lover.

Wanna see my feet?
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Old March 26 2013, 11:28 AM   #163
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Your avatar suggests you walk on hooves, but then mine seems to indicate that I'm a ginger.
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Old March 26 2013, 11:58 AM   #164
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Yah I am a little fawn.
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Old March 26 2013, 02:15 PM   #165
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Re: So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager

teacake wrote: View Post
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The two hottest people on VOY needed to end up in bed.
Neelix/Samantha Wildman?
Janeway/Seven?
Seven/Neelix?
Harry/Rosie Palm and her five daughters?
Hey Melakon, nice to see you here again!

Janeway and 7 of course

But apparently final frontiers are only about the edge of the galaxy. As I said, so far behind.
I like reading some Janeway/7 in fanfic, but they would have never taken that leap on the show! If they won't even have a good steamy love scene between already-established couples, they certainly weren't about to go that far. It would have been a better ending for me than C/7 though. If they really did put J/7 together...I would have been like, alright they already cared a great deal about one another and in the episode when Seven's cortical implant was failing, she actually suggested killing a drone to save her. And then in Endgame, she pretty much went back just so Seven wouldn't die. There were definitely feelings there. Romantic? I don't think. But you never know.

I agree they never show any kind of real relationship issues or a good hot, steamy love scene haha. Everything is just like "Oh they're together now. Oh look now they have a kid. Oh boo hoo they had a fight. Oh wait they're back together now!"

Robert Beltran said something about how the producers thought it would be thrilling that Janeway and Chakotay 'touch hands' in "Resolutions". Star Trek romance is just...so not romance haha. It's a tad better than Law & Order where they try to avoid it altogether between MAIN characters, but Star Trek has couples! And they still don't do much with them.
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