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Old March 25 2013, 03:37 AM   #16
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Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

The seasons were too long by the time Enterprise came along. There are easily 13 shows a piece in those initial years, which could sustain the momentum expected by audiences today. An exciting premiere and episodes which build a few story arcs (to be continued later), before proving at least one of those has actually been building to something by the finale.

The problem is the filler material, required to bulk up a 26 show run and for Star Trek to be on most weeks a year... factoring in repeats during that time. Familiarity breeds contempt. Cut back and make people wait for quality. Put that extra bit of effort into making fewer stories perfect, rather than struggle through recycled TNG/Voyager ideas which even the writers must've known were straying from their prequel concept... but a episode was needed that week, so in it goes I guess.

60% crap I find to be a little harsh. I skip less ENT episodes than any other series, with the possible exception of DS9 (but even that has a handful of deathly dull outings every season).

Getting this show noticed for all the right reasons, getting it a better shot of success requires changing stuff. Enterprise somehow continues to polarise. Going through the series in order on Blu ray I doubt very much will suddenly make any difference. You'll get converts and you'll get an equal number who decide not to stick with it. If I were an executive introducing this show to a new audience, I'd remove episodes from each season that could've been (or indeed were already) done by another iteration, so that you're left with freshly distilled Enterprise. Do something radical like replace the song used in the title sequence, and don't stop there... thin out the reliance on Dennis McCarthy's scores - which tended to sound the same here as across TNG/DS9/VOY and replace them with exciting new compositions like that in "Regeneration" by Bryan Tyler. Use more electronic synth, in with the classical sounding orchestra. Then you start to make the show standout, feel fresh and different and well, alive.
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Old March 25 2013, 02:33 PM   #17
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Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Made up fandom about what the series would be like doomed the show from the start. Add that to the close mindedness of most of the hardcore Trekkies really hurt the show. It's a shame that it really started to get going in seasons 3 and 4. We'll never know what could have been.
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Old March 25 2013, 04:35 PM   #18
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Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Is it true or false that Enterprise was meant to be a "reboot" series and not really conform to previous continuity, but it would still have the same elements from the setting, like Vulcans and Warp drive?

I'm asking because I read that's why the first two seasons didn't have "Star Trek" in the title and the theme song was different, they tried to distance the show from previous shows, but by season 3 they gave up on that concept and it "never happened"

I haven't seen any of Enterprise, most of what I've heard outside of this forum was negative. I'm trying to be open minded about it before I see it for myself, someday.
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Old March 25 2013, 04:52 PM   #19
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Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

The show was always intended as a prequel, but a few minor changes were made here and there (as there have been in every incarnation of Trek - for example Voyager's version of warp speed being far slower than what was previously established in TOS and TNG, despite them repeately calling it the fastest ship!), and using a bit of time travel to handwave some of those differences away.
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Old March 25 2013, 05:19 PM   #20
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Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Another thing I could've done without was rehashing all the same old species: Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi, Borg (wasn't it convenient Denobulans are "immune" to assimilation, and seriously how did 22nd century tech defeat them?).

They should have done more with the early UFP members and other races such as the Orions. Used species only touched on previously, without having an alien of the week baddie.
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Old March 25 2013, 05:38 PM   #21
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Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Enterprise gets flak because it's "not very good." Upon watching the first several episodes, most of them fall squarely into this category.
Fortunately for the show itself, it did eventually "get good." Very good, in fact.
But not enough to save it from cancellation in 2005. A very dark time for sci-fi on TV in general (the whole decade).
If perhaps it had started out good and gotten better, then maybe it would be universally hailed as excellent Trek by all. Like TNG (wink)

That is the flak-causality. If you have an more questions, please feel free to PM me.
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Old March 25 2013, 07:26 PM   #22
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Another thing I could've done without was rehashing all the same old species: Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi, Borg (wasn't it convenient Denobulans are "immune" to assimilation, and seriously how did 22nd century tech defeat them?).
Phlox wasn't immune, the process just moved more slowly through his body. I also remember him refusing to eat.

Then he exposed himself to lethal doses of radiation.

Regeneration made the Borg scary for the first time since The Best of Both Worlds I. That makes it a winner in my book.
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Old March 25 2013, 08:15 PM   #23
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Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

My problem with Enterprise was that everything was oh-so familiar. An all American captain, his friend from the deep south, and a Vulcan science officer. Klingons. Time travel. A Star Fleet ship called Enterprise. Weapons that can stun or kill. Last second transporter rescues...all these things are staples of conventional Trek. And they all appeared in Enterprise's very first episode.

It was a Star Trek series, I wasn't expecting things to be totally unfamiliar. But this was merely a rehash of overused ideas.
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They should have done more with the early UFP members and other races such as the Orions. Used species only touched on previously, without having an alien of the week baddie.
Agreed. At least try to explore the lesser known areas of the past. At least the Andorians were portrayed well.

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....and seriously how did 22nd century tech defeat them?).
I had assumed that the Borg seen in Regeneration were cut off from the Collective, and didn't have access to that repository of knowledge. As such their own technology was merely adaptations of what they could find, with perhaps a few improvements. 22nd century technology beat them, because they were limited to 22nd century technology themselves.
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Old March 26 2013, 12:49 AM   #24
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Re: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Question: Why does Enterprise get so much flak?

Answer: Simply because it was aweful. Start-to-finish, top-to-bottom terrible. It was sooo bad it makes me want to undertake a Kahn-like quest for vengence against those who contaminated the "Star Trek" universe with this vile, STD of a series.

"Enterprise" was a biological weapon of mass-destruction to the body Trek, and I would love to be the mystery-man who went back in time with a degausser to set things right.

Please Note: The above is just one person expressing an opinion and in no way, shape or form should be construed as containing any real or implied threats of hostility or violence against any person(s) or entities. It is purposely written in an over-the-top style in hopes providing a chuckle along with a pointed point-of-view.
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Old March 26 2013, 01:22 AM   #25
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Enterprise was at least average for modern Trek, and a lot of it was pretty good. I like TOS, TNG and Enterprise better than the other shows.
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Old March 26 2013, 01:43 AM   #26
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Enterprise was at least average for modern Trek, and a lot of it was pretty good. I like TOS, TNG and Enterprise better than the other shows.
I think the biggest stumbling block for me was that seasons one and two Archer seemed to be completely wrong for the job. Not because he made mistakes but because he made some blunders that just defied basic safety.

"Oh the Vulcan said I should scan the surface before going down with my people. Well fuck her. What the hell does she know?"
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Old March 26 2013, 02:14 AM   #27
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Horrible scripts for the first 60% of the series.

Scripts so terrible and shitty that most people had quit watching before decent writing came in.

I don't think the scripts were terrible, they were simply not as involving to the general population at large, or didn't have a sense of urgency. I find the majority of the first two seasons far more watchable than the first 2 of Voyager.
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Old March 26 2013, 02:32 AM   #28
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Enterprise was at least average for modern Trek, and a lot of it was pretty good. I like TOS, TNG and Enterprise better than the other shows.
I think the biggest stumbling block for me was that seasons one and two Archer seemed to be completely wrong for the job. Not because he made mistakes but because he made some blunders that just defied basic safety.

"Oh the Vulcan said I should scan the surface before going down with my people. Well fuck her. What the hell does she know?"
Yeah, and back in 87-88 fans complained that Picard was a surrender monkey. One of the more feeble defenses of Enterprise back in the day, in fact, was to point out how much complaining was done about both TNG and DS9 during their first couple of years. No, you can't defend a show's shortcomings on the grounds that other shows have also stumbled but, like I said, Enterprise was pretty normal for modern Trek.
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Old March 26 2013, 04:30 PM   #29
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Phlox wasn't immune, the process just moved more slowly through his body. I also remember him refusing to eat.

Then he exposed himself to lethal doses of radiation.

Regeneration made the Borg scary for the first time since The Best of Both Worlds I. That makes it a winner in my book.
I hadn't meant immune as incapable of being assimilated, but all species we've seen so far (except 8472) were assimilated within seconds just not Denobulans apparently, its one of those handy plot elements where one person isn't affected by the space anomaly/alien of the week (which really had been done to death in Trek now).

Have to admit I didn't find them scary in the episode, I was lamenting at the need for ENT to dredge the Borg up and into a story rather than doing something interesting.
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Old March 26 2013, 04:58 PM   #30
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Prequel or not, there was no way they weren't going to use popular elements from other shows. Just like Voyager managed to squeeze in appearances from the Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi and another Federation starship even though the whole point of that series was to move away from using those very same elements.
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