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Old March 25 2013, 06:09 AM   #151
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

Yeah, it contains Suzy and their little misadventures on a damn, Jays rant about the government, and I think the whole incident at the diner is in the comic as well. I have the trade, I just haven't read it in quite a while.
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Old March 25 2013, 06:16 AM   #152
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

There's also a comic depicting how Dante and Randal got hired at Becky's Mooby's restaurant following the Quick Stop fire. Kevin's pretty good at depicting ”unseen” events in the Askewniverse, even if the canon status of some details is questionable.
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Old March 25 2013, 10:39 AM   #153
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

I think the comic cooleddie mentioned is called "Clerks: Where's The Beef?"

I did find this rather interesting unofficial timeline that a fan came up with on another board...it contains everything up to "Clerks II".

Oni Double Feature #1 - "Walt Flanagan's Dog" (April 13 - 14, 1994)
Mallrats (April 14, 1994)
Clerks (April 15, 1994)
Clerks - The Lost Scene / Clerks - The Lost Scene (April 15, 1994)
Jay and Silent Bob's Secret Video Stash (February, 1996)
Oni Double Feature #12 - "Bluntman and Chronic in the Derris Affair" (March, 1996)
Bluntman and Chronic #1-3 (April - June, 1996)
Chasing Amy (April, 1996 - May, 1997)
Jay and Silent Bob #1-4 - "Chasing Dogma" (May 31 - June 5, 1996)
Dogma (May 27 - June 7, 1996)
Clerks - The Comic Book (March, 1998)
Clerks - Holiday Special (December 16 - December 25, 1998)
Clerks - "On the Perils of Cinema" (November, 1999)
Clerks - The Animated Series (January 31 - July 23, 2000)
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back (June, 2001)
Scream 3 (June, 2001)
Clerks - The Flying Car (February, 2002)
Clerks - "Where's the Beef?!?" (February, 2006)
Clerks II (February, 2006 - April, 2007)
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Old March 25 2013, 04:39 PM   #154
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Yes, folks. Believe it or not, Scream 3 is considered part of the Askewniverse by some because Jay and Silent Bob have a cameo in the movie. Kind of blows your fragile, doobie-addled little minds, doesn't it?

On another note, here's about three minutes of the eight-minute "Lost Scene." Enjoy. The entire unedited thing used to be posted on YouTube, but I can't seem to find it.

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Old March 25 2013, 05:51 PM   #155
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What's interesting about the "Lost Scene," is that when Kevin was putting together the Clerks X DVD release, he briefly considered actually filming the scene. Would have been interesting, and definitely fit into the movie better, but ultimately he decided it was too expensive.
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Old March 25 2013, 05:53 PM   #156
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

Plus, the Lost Scene is 8 minutes long (plus change).

Clerks said Dante and Randal were inside the funeral home for 5 minutes before running back out.

Nootch.
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Old March 25 2013, 07:21 PM   #157
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Kevin likes to say that's exactly what he had in mind for the funeral scene when he wrote Clerks. Sounds like Lucas style revisionist history there, considering he probably didn't even know who Alyssa Jones was going to be at the time, let alone have the nickname "finger cuffs." Still, I would have loved to see it done live action if that meant more Joey (still bummed she didn't get to play Bethany).
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Old March 25 2013, 07:33 PM   #158
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

A whole lot of what you see in the "Lost Scene" is retconned into the thing to establish more continuity within the Askewniverse.

Alyssa. "Finger Cuffs." Truth or Date. T.S. Quint. The images of Loki and Bartleby on the death announcement cards for Julie Dwyer. Which is all cool and it never bothers me. It's not as if Kevin knew who or what any of those were in the winter and spring of 1993 when he first shot the original Clerks, and it only helps flesh out his universe and gives it more depth.

If retconning works, I say go ahead and do it.
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Old March 25 2013, 08:46 PM   #159
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If "Jay and Silent Bob's Super Groovy Cartoon Movie" is indeed an adaptation of the Bluntman and Chronic mini-series then it would fit in prior to "Chasing Amy" in the timeline...I'm sure there will be present time scenes, or at least there could be, if those are flashbacks or something.
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Old March 25 2013, 11:50 PM   #160
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You've got to love the View Askewniverse. Only something this complicated and f'd up could still be this beloved.
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Old March 26 2013, 12:10 AM   #161
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For a continuity that is based somewhat in reality yet kind of feels like a comic book continuity...I've always considered the View Askewinverse an impressive feat.
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Any film series that can go from the oft-heavy and relationship-based dramedy of Chasing Amy to the otherwordly mythology and fantastic events of Dogma and then careen headfirst into the surreal slapstick of JASB and STILL make some sort of rough overall sense is one to be applauded.
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Old March 26 2013, 03:33 AM   #163
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A whole lot of what you see in the "Lost Scene" is retconned into the thing to establish more continuity within the Askewniverse.

Alyssa. "Finger Cuffs." Truth or Date. T.S. Quint. The images of Loki and Bartleby on the death announcement cards for Julie Dwyer. Which is all cool and it never bothers me. It's not as if Kevin knew who or what any of those were in the winter and spring of 1993 when he first shot the original Clerks, and it only helps flesh out his universe and gives it more depth.

If retconning works, I say go ahead and do it.
While you're right, the majority of it is retconned, I did make one mistake. Alyssa was a character as of Clerks, at least in passing. Heather mentions her when telling Dante who she is. Ah Heather Jones, one character we never saw again, I would have liked to see her exiting the theater with Trisha and Alyssa.

Anyways, I just watched Clerks. As I've mentioned many times before in this thread, for me the View Askewniverse begins and ends with Dante and Randal, they are the two best characters that Smith created (outside of Jay and Bob), and any chance to see them in something new is a joy. Along with the movie I did rewatch the "lost scene" and also watched the short film "The Flying Car" which I remember watching back when it premiered on The Tonight Show.
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Old March 26 2013, 03:38 AM   #164
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You're right. Alyssa's mentioned when her sister and Rick Derris (whose name also recurs throughout the Askewniverse as the years go by) are talking to Dante about lifting weights, being healthier and their old school days together. Forgot about that, thanks for mentioning it.

That's the scene where Heather and Rick Derris hear about the cigarettes being sold to the little kid and both of them think Dante did it.
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Old March 26 2013, 03:43 AM   #165
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You know, I'm starting to get the impression this thread is mostly you and I trying to one up each other in random View Askewniverse trivia

Not that I have an issue with it, I love talking about these films.

I think my favorite scene out of all six films, is Holden and Alyssa talking about events that happened in the previous two movies. Up until that point it wasn't really a shared universe. That movie solidified the fact and made it real.

And you are right on the money, going from the near dead seriousness of 'Chasing Amy' to the slightly out there "Dogma" and following that up with a live action cartoon then segueing into another extremely realistic film (Clerks II, nootch) and making it all still feel like the same universe. Pretty impressive.
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