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Old March 25 2013, 05:06 AM   #91
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Re: Voyager again, for the first time

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See it never bothered me that every time Spock was having one of his Vulcan angst moments we got the same very poignant and tense music. But that's because I believed in Spock the character and his story.
Yeah I don't know why the Chakotay music bothers me.
It's just...you'll see him doing something "Native American" and you just KNOW the music is coming...and it does.

Not sure why it bugs me.
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Old March 25 2013, 05:08 AM   #92
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I'm saying that Spock worked because the character worked. I don't think a lot of Chakotay works, bumbles along well enough at times but that's about it.
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Old March 25 2013, 05:09 AM   #93
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I am finding so many so-bad-they're-good Chakotay videos on YouTube now... oh man...
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Old March 25 2013, 05:14 AM   #94
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I'm saying that Spock worked because the character worked. I don't think a lot of Chakotay works, bumbles along well enough at times but that's about it.
Yeah I know what you meant. That it worked for Spock, but not for Chakotay because his story and his character weren't completely on-point and developed.

I mean, I believed Chakotay's story, but it was so underdeveloped that it just became cheesy that every single time he had "a moment" it had to immediately get musically tribal-sounding. It had a soap opera quality about it. I was just like...can't the man be moved by something without the Native American pipes coming in?
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Old March 25 2013, 06:20 AM   #95
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Let's face it, those pipes are like the accordion. No one will ever take them seriously after so many silly moments. Mr. Spock got to have music with zero associations already welded into our brains.
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Old March 25 2013, 11:59 AM   #96
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I'm not sure if those pipes would have bothered me either way, until they were pointed out. Now it immediately takes me out of the show. It's like the BioShock 2 cover, I can't see anything but Bomberman now. But I'd looked at it hundreds of times before a friend made that joke and it never once occurred to me.

I managed to fit one more episode in last night: Learning Curve

I remember this being a much more tense episode. Something about potential mutiny maybe, or outright not following orders. Maybe I'm combining episodes, or projecting what I wanted it to be. Either way, it was nice to see some Marquis struggling to fit in. I haven't had this moan for awhile but I really do feel that season 1 could have benefited more by focusing on this aspect.

However, now that I'm (technically) done with the season, it was a lot better then I remembered, and has dampened down a few of the criticisms I had about the start of the show. Amusingly, I told one of my oldest friends I was doing this, we've known each other from school, roughly when Voyager was first airing, and both into Star Trek. He had a bunch of complaints about the first season too, none of them proved to be true either.

Since I've hit the end of the season, I might take a proper break from watching, haven't properly decided yet. So there'll likely be a post in about 8 hours of me watching the next episode.
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Old March 25 2013, 01:52 PM   #97
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I'm not sure if those pipes would have bothered me either way, until they were pointed out. Now it immediately takes me out of the show. It's like the BioShock 2 cover, I can't see anything but Bomberman now. But I'd looked at it hundreds of times before a friend made that joke and it never once occurred to me.

I managed to fit one more episode in last night: Learning Curve

I remember this being a much more tense episode. Something about potential mutiny maybe, or outright not following orders. Maybe I'm combining episodes, or projecting what I wanted it to be. Either way, it was nice to see some Marquis struggling to fit in. I haven't had this moan for awhile but I really do feel that season 1 could have benefited more by focusing on this aspect.
Aw...I am sorry I ruined Chakotay's spiritual moments for you. Once you realize it's there...that's all you're ever going to hear. And you'll start waiting for it...like when he takes out his medicine bundle and you're just waiting for him to say AH-COO-CHE-MOY-AH! But it had to be said. I've seriously been waiting for some post to come along that would allow me to complain about the Chakotay music.

Learning Curve was a decent episode. Finally they acknowledge the Maquis being somewhat different. I LOVE when Chakotay punches Dalby in the face. He's like "Okay, let's do it the Maquis way." PUNCH.

A CHAKOTAY MOMENT WITH NO TRIBAL MUSIC!
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Old March 25 2013, 03:01 PM   #98
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lol yeah that is pretty awesome, and one of the moments I was talking about when I said that early on I had big hopes for the character.

I wouldn't say you ruined it, I did after all call it "Chakotay faith babble". You just added another layer
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Old March 25 2013, 09:15 PM   #99
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Babble or bubble?
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Old March 26 2013, 03:24 PM   #100
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Babble, as in a play on techno-babble. Or I'm missing an incredibly funny pun here, in which case I'm sorry.

The 37's

A nice episode that finally has the crew solidified about going home. I do remember a TNG episode about people from the 20th century being frozen too. Thankfully this does it quite differently.

My first thought of this episode was that I'd have made it a new model car from 1995, just for a little bit more of wow factor. But then I'm a petrol head, and I'm ignoring what the entire episode is about. I just think it would be far more awesome to see a car that might be sitting on your driveway floating in space.

But ooo Voyager lands. That's pretty damn cool. I'd totally forgotten the Interpid class could do that. Would have liked a few more SFX shots , but I guess that's budget constraints.

The one thing I found confusing when they found the plane was the complete disregard of Paris' knowledge after they've dealt with the car. Yes, it might only be cars, but surely you'd call for him to have a look for any quick recognition.

It also feels odd that we never see the colony. Even just a city shot while Janeway gives her Captain's Log speech about it being amazing would have done.

During the conversation with Janeway and Chakotay about staying or not, one thing never enters into conversation "what about the alien crew members?" While this offers the perfect opportunity to humans, and some of the aliens may be okay with the idea of staying, it's making a few assumptions. Can you imagine someone like Chell being the only Bolian on the planet? I realise it might not be that different to life on the ship this would be asking him to settle? That's a bit much.

Okay, so this one I'm mostly nitpicking. I don't know why, lots of little mistakes that bugged me I guess. It was a decent episode, but I think a few little changes could have elevated it a bit further.
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Old March 26 2013, 05:13 PM   #101
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I was thinking of "The 37's" last night oddly enough, though I've not seen it in years. There's a scene where all the ancient survivors have been thawed out, and the focus is on Earhart and Janeway (I think it's Janeway) as a tricorder or something is activated. One of the non-speaking extras directly behind them, a burly bearded guy (Memory Alpha calls him a Scandinavian fisherman), overplays his reaction to the device by jerking his arms slightly, drawing attention away from the main actors. If I'd been the director I would have fired him on the spot, he ruins the scene for me.
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Old March 26 2013, 06:10 PM   #102
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I'll be honest, I didn't notice. There's two scenes I can think of, the most obvious is when Earhart is holding a tricorder, opens it and she and the guy behind her are both shocked when it starts making noise and lighting up. There's another one with Kes checking them all medically, so maybe it was that one.
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Old March 26 2013, 09:29 PM   #103
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It must be the first one I'm thinking of. The problem I have is he upstages the foreground action, drawing attention to himself, which a good background player shouldn't do.
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It also feels odd that we never see the colony. Even just a city shot while Janeway gives her Captain's Log speech about it being amazing would have done.
Yeah, I would have been happy with a Rigel VII style painting shot. Something to see just what kind of city they did build, to let the choice the VOY crew show us what they left behind.

And what if half the crew had wanted to leave? If enough knowledge and skill had left that Voyager was seriously compromised?
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Old March 27 2013, 03:01 AM   #105
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After renting a '36 Ford truck for the stage and space scenes, renting a Lockheed L-10 Electra, getting it to the location, and the ship landing/takeoff sequences, there probably wasn't enough money left for a matte painting of the city.

If the crew had decided to stay on the planet? Janeway would have had to start a coffee plantation.
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