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Old March 24 2013, 06:35 PM   #31
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I thought of that too! A memorable scene.
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Old March 24 2013, 10:00 PM   #32
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See, I figured that Helicopter shooting scene was a callback to the Voyager episode where the Trabe tried to sabotage the peace negotiation meeting with the Kazon being brokered by Janeway.
That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the trailer. I even think that the Helicopter looks a little similar to that Trabe ship, shapewise.
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Old March 24 2013, 10:48 PM   #33
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I would be shocked if anything related to Voyager went through the writers' heads at any point.
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Old March 25 2013, 12:41 AM   #34
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The helicopter scene is a pretty clear lift from Godfather 3.

The whole "Harrison is captured" sure looks a lot like Skyfall. Harrison wants to be aboard Enterprise.
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Old March 25 2013, 12:54 AM   #35
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See, I figured that Helicopter shooting scene was a callback to the Voyager episode where the Trabe tried to sabotage the peace negotiation meeting with the Kazon being brokered by Janeway.
That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the trailer. I even think that the Helicopter looks a little similar to that Trabe ship, shapewise.
I was rather reminded of True Lies.
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Old March 25 2013, 02:13 PM   #36
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The helicopter scene is a pretty clear lift from Godfather 3.

The whole "Harrison is captured" sure looks a lot like Skyfall. Harrison wants to be aboard Enterprise.
Agreed on both points...

...but the latter makes me think Loki/Avengers and I'm trying to remain confident that JJ wouldn't do something so derivative so soon.
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Old March 25 2013, 02:59 PM   #37
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...but the latter makes me think Loki/Avengers and I'm trying to remain confident that JJ wouldn't do something so derivative so soon.
It's beginning to become standard. I think The Dark Knight started it but I couldn't swear to it.
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Old March 25 2013, 03:30 PM   #38
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How do we know he wanted to be captured? Its being assumed!

We don't know until the movie comes out.
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Old March 25 2013, 03:49 PM   #39
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Well obviously we don't know it but I wouldn't bet against it, you know?
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Old March 25 2013, 03:59 PM   #40
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How would a hero justify blowing up a Federation building in London? Then assassinating a gathering of Starfleet Command? Heroes generally take on the bad guys, while doing their best to protect the innocent.

If there's a conspiracy going on, and Harrison is trying to expose it... there are far cleverer, less indiscriminate ways to go about doing that.

Commit collateral damage and you've already become the very thing you set out to destroy.
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Old March 25 2013, 04:04 PM   #41
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Do you think that Harrison is being guided by another villain more powerful like Bane and Talia in The Dark Knight Rises?

It is an interesting theory, because is hard Harrison does all of this without having an internal help.
How can he go to Kronos? How does he manage weapons, ships, confidential information only with his skills?
He would be a mixture of James Bond, Jason Bourne and Ethan Hunt.
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Old March 25 2013, 04:22 PM   #42
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How would a hero justify blowing up a Federation building in London? Then assassinating a gathering of Starfleet Command? Heroes generally take on the bad guys, while doing their best to protect the innocent.
His actions make a bit more sense if he just thinks that Starfleet Command's upper ranks are stupid and/or corrupt. Getting them all into one place and killing them all would be faster than letting military courts handle it (especially if you think they're stupid/corrupt too).
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Old March 25 2013, 04:28 PM   #43
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Do you think that Harrison is being guided by another villain more powerful like Bane and Talia in The Dark Knight Rises?
Maybe there will be a scene at the end of the credits that goes something like this:

SCENE: Harrison enters a dim room, dusting himself off. A figure stands in the darkness.

Harrison: I have done as you asked, and have exacted my vengeance. Now it is time.

Figure: There is a proverb that says: 'Revenge is a dish that is best served cold'... It is very cold... in space.

The figure emerges from the shadows, and we see it is .... Khhaaaaan!
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Old March 25 2013, 05:00 PM   #44
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His actions make a bit more sense if he just thinks that Starfleet Command's upper ranks are stupid and/or corrupt. Getting them all into one place and killing them all would be faster than letting military courts handle it (especially if you think they're stupid/corrupt too).
Maybe, but wanted to 'get their attention' by blowing up a mass public transit hub in the heart of London in the middle of the day, likely killing hundreds of commuters, across the Atlantic who had nothing to do with it all.
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Old March 25 2013, 05:17 PM   #45
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ralph wrote: View Post
Do you think that Harrison is being guided by another villain more powerful like Bane and Talia in The Dark Knight Rises?

It is an interesting theory, because is hard Harrison does all of this without having an internal help.
How can he go to Kronos? How does he manage weapons, ships, confidential information only with his skills?
He would be a mixture of James Bond, Jason Bourne and Ethan Hunt.
Ages ago there was rumour of Cumberbatch's character having a mentor, although I have no idea whether it originated as supposed insider knowledge or just fan speculation.
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